Hot Numbers in Roulette -- Myths and Facts
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February 20th, 2018 at 12:42:02 PM
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The big boss asked me to write something about roulette. That is a hard game to find any new ground to break. As much as I preach that the past doesn't matter in roulette, I know it gets talked about a lot, so I decided to look at the topic in a little depth. So, please check out my new page Hot Numbers in Roulette -- Myths and Facts. As always, I welcome all questions, comments, and especially corrections.
The question for the poll is how do you pick your numbers in roulette?
The question for the poll is how do you pick your numbers in roulette?
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
February 20th, 2018 at 12:57:04 PM
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I'd tell you, but, honestly, I have never played casino roulette in my life. The closest I have come is in a Facebook game called Casino City (long since defunct).
I always played the same number, and I got it from an episode of The Phil Silvers Show - the plot was, Bilko was tired of mess sergeant Ritzik always losing when he gambled, so Bilko suggested, "Why don't you take all of your gambling money for the year, go to Vegas, and bet on one number in roulette? That way, you don't prolong the agony!"
Ritzik's response: "What number?"
Bilko's reply: "What number? The number of your IQ - Double Zero!"
(Spoiler Alert: that's just what Ritzik does - and he turns his $50 into $1750)
I always played the same number, and I got it from an episode of The Phil Silvers Show - the plot was, Bilko was tired of mess sergeant Ritzik always losing when he gambled, so Bilko suggested, "Why don't you take all of your gambling money for the year, go to Vegas, and bet on one number in roulette? That way, you don't prolong the agony!"
Ritzik's response: "What number?"
Bilko's reply: "What number? The number of your IQ - Double Zero!"
(Spoiler Alert: that's just what Ritzik does - and he turns his $50 into $1750)
February 20th, 2018 at 1:34:58 PM
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No system at all. In recent years (the past couple of decades), I think the only two casinos where I have played roulette were the CNE (Canadian National Exposition) in Toronto and the branch of the Holland Casino at the Schiphol Airport in Amsterdam. In both cases, I was just looking for a souvenir chip for my collection and wanted the easiest route to get into a game, play briefly, get my residual cashed out to include a chip to take home, and get out of the place. The specific numbers that I chose to wager had pretty much the same irrelevance as the specific numbers that anyone else chooses in roulette.
February 20th, 2018 at 3:25:46 PM
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Whether or not roulette can be beaten isn't so much of "hot or cold" number as it is with technology.
You can, of course, spend years trying to find a biased wheel but good luck in this day and age.
I have heard of, but never seen, an ap of some sort that, based on where the ball goes onto the wheel, can predict with some certainty the general area where the ball will fall. I've only heard about it but I also heard that it's banned so maybe there's some truth to it. Who knows?
Of course, you can always beat any hot or cold streak by using Martingale, that perfect system until the one time that it isn't and eats you alive.
Hot or cold numbers or colors- no way.
You can, of course, spend years trying to find a biased wheel but good luck in this day and age.
I have heard of, but never seen, an ap of some sort that, based on where the ball goes onto the wheel, can predict with some certainty the general area where the ball will fall. I've only heard about it but I also heard that it's banned so maybe there's some truth to it. Who knows?
Of course, you can always beat any hot or cold streak by using Martingale, that perfect system until the one time that it isn't and eats you alive.
Hot or cold numbers or colors- no way.
Last edited by: Lucca3927 on Feb 20, 2018
"I should have bet black." - Winston Churchill .
February 20th, 2018 at 3:45:18 PM
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121 ??? The numbers on a roulette wheel don't go anywhere near that high.
I know I must have missed something but perhaps that is something to be corrected.
I know I must have missed something but perhaps that is something to be corrected.
February 20th, 2018 at 3:51:03 PM
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As most of you know, I created a side bet for Roulette: http://www.Poker-For-Roulette.com
That said, I rarely make Roulette bets. Frankly, I think it’s a stupid game.
On the flipside, if I’m bored, I will occasionally bet if I see a streak of any of the even money bets. But I will bet with the streak. The way I see it is, you could bet against the streak, and if the streak loses, then you’re stuck in the Martingale. If you bet against, and streak ends, you won one unit but what do you do next? Conversely, if you bet with the streak, and it ends, big deal, you lost one unit. But if it continues, you can think about pressing the bet.
Because of that logic, even though I rarely play, I voted that I bet hot numbers (or at least hot sections).
That said, I rarely make Roulette bets. Frankly, I think it’s a stupid game.
On the flipside, if I’m bored, I will occasionally bet if I see a streak of any of the even money bets. But I will bet with the streak. The way I see it is, you could bet against the streak, and if the streak loses, then you’re stuck in the Martingale. If you bet against, and streak ends, you won one unit but what do you do next? Conversely, if you bet with the streak, and it ends, big deal, you lost one unit. But if it continues, you can think about pressing the bet.
Because of that logic, even though I rarely play, I voted that I bet hot numbers (or at least hot sections).
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February 20th, 2018 at 3:53:56 PM
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Streaks... maybe the recent articles in the Data Genetics blog would be relevant.
February 20th, 2018 at 3:53:56 PM
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Streaks... maybe the recent articles in the Data Genetics blog would be relevant.
February 20th, 2018 at 3:54:48 PM
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Quote: FleaStiff121 ??? The numbers on a roulette wheel don't go anywhere near that high.
I know I must have missed something but perhaps that is something to be corrected.
If you're referring to the median number of wins for the most frequent number in 3,800 spins of double-zero roulette, then I must really be explaining the topic badly.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
February 20th, 2018 at 4:26:28 PM
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My tip of the hat for shaming 888 casino ignorance [or is it something else?]
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
February 20th, 2018 at 5:10:13 PM
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888 creating a blog with betting strategies and AP info is a really strange marketing strategy for a casino. Doubly strange when those same strategies are against it’s own casino rules. Triple strange when a majority of those strategies that they somehow both publish and ban are mathematically proven to be worthless.
They either:
A) Actually believe the garbage they publish on the blog
B) Want to include a super broad rule to use as a reason to deny payouts
C) They want people to really think that the betting systems they publish work, so they “ban” it while hoping those people blow a ton of cash trying to get the system going
All 3 options stink.
They either:
A) Actually believe the garbage they publish on the blog
B) Want to include a super broad rule to use as a reason to deny payouts
C) They want people to really think that the betting systems they publish work, so they “ban” it while hoping those people blow a ton of cash trying to get the system going
All 3 options stink.
February 20th, 2018 at 5:21:17 PM
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And then ban players and confiscate their money if they happen to get lucky. Win-win situation for them.Quote: gamerfreak
C) They want people to really think that the betting systems they publish work, so they “ban” it while hoping those people blow a ton of cash trying to get the system going
All 3 options stink.
Sounds like they should be on the rouge list for this type of BS.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
February 20th, 2018 at 5:21:49 PM
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Quote: odiousgambitMy tip of the hat for shaming 888 casino ignorance [or is it something else?]
Thanks. I picked up on that from another thread here.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
February 20th, 2018 at 5:27:15 PM
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Quote: gamerfreak888 creating a blog with betting strategies and AP info is a really strange marketing strategy for a casino. Doubly strange when those same strategies are against it’s own casino rules. Triple strange when a majority of those strategies that they somehow both publish and ban are mathematically proven to be worthless.
They either:
A) Actually believe the garbage they publish on the blog
B) Want to include a super broad rule to use as a reason to deny payouts
C) They want people to really think that the betting systems they publish work, so they “ban” it while hoping those people blow a ton of cash trying to get the system going
I only glanced at their blog and it seemed to be mostly casino news and nothing about advantage play. If I'm not looking in the right place, please let me now. I know they bought Eliot's AP heat site too. I think their strategy is to cast a wide net to catch as much search engine traffic as they can. A lot of sites do this.
It would be funny if they had an article on the Martingale somewhere and simultaneously ban it in their T&C.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
February 20th, 2018 at 5:40:38 PM
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I don't know about funny I think it would mesh well with the goals for drawing traffic to their site. You can entice them with dreams and then dash their hopes to smithereens. Its their money you are after, not their minds or admiration or anything like that.Quote: WizardIt would be funny if they had an article on the Martingale somewhere and simultaneously ban it in their T&C.
February 20th, 2018 at 6:14:22 PM
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Quote: WizardI only glanced at their blog and it seemed to be mostly casino news and nothing about advantage play. If I'm not looking in the right place, please let me now.
Beyond EJ’s article’s, I’d file card counting under Advantage Play, and they have many articles on that.
Quote: WizardIt would be funny if they had an article on the Martingale somewhere and simultaneously ban it in their T&C.
Lol they even call it a ‘casino tip’
https://www.888casino.com/blog/casino-tips/martingale-betting-system
February 20th, 2018 at 6:14:23 PM
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Quote: WizardThe big boss asked me to write something about roulette.
I thought you were the big boss?
Side note... The first table game I ever played was Roulette. It was at a downtown table during the day where they would give you quarter chips with a minimum per spin of $1. The table was full and the waitress was coming around fast. I have no idea if I won or lost... probably lost... Had a blast! Fond memories... Everyone was just throwing quarters around like they were dimes. Then someone would hit and everyone would high 5 and cheer.
I think they still have a table like this at El Cortez? (Referencing the denomination and the minimum... Not the atmosphere)
On that cheap of a table you can bet the hot and the cold and a section and a few other numbers.
February 20th, 2018 at 6:45:57 PM
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Quote: gamerfreakBeyond EJ’s article’s, I’d file card counting under Advantage Play, and they have many articles on that.
Lol they even call it a ‘casino tip’
https://www.888casino.com/blog/casino-tips/martingale-betting-system
the article though debunks it. It is as if these blog authors are asked to write about some betting system but can't make themselves keep from debunking it , though you have to scroll down to see it
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
February 21st, 2018 at 8:54:21 AM
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Quote: prozemaI thought you were the big boss?
Nope. The big banana now is the site owner Josh, who I work for.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
February 21st, 2018 at 9:59:07 AM
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you mean to say "That is a casino gameQuote: Wizardwrite something about roulette.
That is a hard game to find any new ground to break.
that is hard to find any new ground to break."
Roulette is not a hard game by any means.
and I do play the HOT numbers at times too!
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for a new idea (well, an old one actually)
how about the evens streaks in say 20 spins??
one knows about 5 in a row for Red, but how about a streak of at least 3 for Red, Even and Low
maybe at the same time??
my Excel photo for 0Roulette
the 'evens' streaks
I think that could be hard as well
I bet them too!
Fun topic
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February 21st, 2018 at 2:08:38 PM
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I hate roulette, but this weekend, I won $250 worth of bonus free play chips. The dealers said that the best way to spend the chips was to bet them straight up on roulette, where a win would pay 35-1 for the one free play chips.
So I played them straight up. I still find roulette to be a boring game.
I’m not sure if these chips were the kind where you play until you lost, or if they took them, even if you won. I didn’t hit any numbers.
We’re the dealers correct? My guess is that playing them at max odds on craps would be better.
So I played them straight up. I still find roulette to be a boring game.
I’m not sure if these chips were the kind where you play until you lost, or if they took them, even if you won. I didn’t hit any numbers.
We’re the dealers correct? My guess is that playing them at max odds on craps would be better.
February 21st, 2018 at 2:13:23 PM
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Quote: klimate10I hate roulette, but this weekend, I won $250 worth of bonus free play chips. The dealers said that the best way to spend the chips was to bet them straight up on roulette, where a win would pay 35-1 for the one free play chips.
So I played them straight up. I still find roulette to be a boring game.
I’m not sure if these chips were the kind where you play until you lost, or if they took them, even if you won. I didn’t hit any numbers.
We’re the dealers correct? My guess is that playing them at max odds on craps would be better.
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February 21st, 2018 at 2:35:24 PM
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Roulette is a game of random outcomes.
If you really understand that, and what it
means, you will never spend even one
second trying to find rhyme or reason in
it. You'll put all your concentration on
understanding the nature of random
instead.
If you really understand that, and what it
means, you will never spend even one
second trying to find rhyme or reason in
it. You'll put all your concentration on
understanding the nature of random
instead.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
February 21st, 2018 at 6:31:50 PM
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but you spent 10 years gg saying the opposite.
get second you pig
February 21st, 2018 at 7:27:40 PM
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Quote: EvenBobRoulette is a game of random outcomes.
If you really understand that, and what it
means, you will never spend even one
second trying to find rhyme or reason in
it. You'll put all your concentration on
understanding the nature of random
instead.
Your buddy with the 137 roullette session winning streak must understand random extremely well
February 21st, 2018 at 9:54:09 PM
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Quote: WizardThe big boss asked me to write something about roulette. That is a hard game to find any new ground to break. As much as I preach that the past doesn't matter in roulette, I know it gets talked about a lot, so I decided to look at the topic in a little depth. So, please check out my new page Hot Numbers in Roulette -- Myths and Facts. As always, I welcome all questions, comments, and especially corrections.
The question for the poll is how do you pick your numbers in roulette?
The only time I play roulette is when I arrive in vegas with someone else's money who tells me what number to put it on.
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February 22nd, 2018 at 12:45:11 PM
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Quote: ontariodealerbut you spent 10 years gg saying the opposite.
Nope, a total lie. I've said from the
start that it's all about figuring out
how random works.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
February 22nd, 2018 at 12:50:48 PM
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Let me make sure I have this right.
Step 1... Figure out random
Step 2... Play roulette
Step 3... Rake in profit
I'm suspicious... I hope I didn't blow anyone's play! :-)
Step 1... Figure out random
Step 2... Play roulette
Step 3... Rake in profit
I'm suspicious... I hope I didn't blow anyone's play! :-)
February 22nd, 2018 at 1:12:03 PM
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Add the words pretend to, to all 3 steps and you have a homerun system that you can claim is real for years. The gift that keeps on giving.Quote: prozemaLet me make sure I have this right.
Step 1... Figure out random
Step 2... Play roulette
Step 3... Rake in profit
I'm suspicious... I hope I didn't blow anyone's play! :-)
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
February 22nd, 2018 at 1:49:10 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfAdd the words pretend to, to all 3 steps and you have a homerun system that you can claim is real for years. The gift that keeps on giving.
If I put a money back guarantee on it I can probably sell it for nineteen-ninty- oh nevermind...
February 22nd, 2018 at 1:58:04 PM
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Quote: prozemaLet me make sure I have this right.
Step 1... Figure out random
Step 2... Play roulette
Step 3... Rake in profit
I'm suspicious... I hope I didn't blow anyone's play! :-)
Jesus, just give it away all at once..
Thanks a lot..
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
February 25th, 2018 at 7:47:21 AM
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An interesting thought occurred to me last night after a few drinks, so it's probably a bad idea...
I think betting hot numbers might be better... Now I know what you're going to say... House edge, random, blah blah blah... Stick with me for a second...
Let's say there are some biased wheels out there... On those wheels, you'd want to bet the hot numbers.
So... If you always bet hot numbers, you'd get the standard house edge on fair wheels, but if you did find one that is biased you'd be better off betting hot than cold. I think this factor would be tiny at best, but...
On the other side of the coin I can't think of any scenario where cold numbers could be advantageous. Can you?
I think the next question would be what is the propability of a wheel being biased based on x# of spin results? I.e. let's say we trialed a wheel for 1 million spins and they all landed red... I'm thinking that's a rigged wheel. On the other hand seeing a few reds in a row is meaningless... Seems like there should be a breakpoint where the number of consecutive reds (or sections or numbers or something) would start to raise suspicion about the wheel... Is that 20 consecutive positive results? 100? 1000?
I find it hard to believe someone hasn't thought of this before... My apologies if this is duplicate of another's thought.
I think betting hot numbers might be better... Now I know what you're going to say... House edge, random, blah blah blah... Stick with me for a second...
Let's say there are some biased wheels out there... On those wheels, you'd want to bet the hot numbers.
So... If you always bet hot numbers, you'd get the standard house edge on fair wheels, but if you did find one that is biased you'd be better off betting hot than cold. I think this factor would be tiny at best, but...
On the other side of the coin I can't think of any scenario where cold numbers could be advantageous. Can you?
I think the next question would be what is the propability of a wheel being biased based on x# of spin results? I.e. let's say we trialed a wheel for 1 million spins and they all landed red... I'm thinking that's a rigged wheel. On the other hand seeing a few reds in a row is meaningless... Seems like there should be a breakpoint where the number of consecutive reds (or sections or numbers or something) would start to raise suspicion about the wheel... Is that 20 consecutive positive results? 100? 1000?
I find it hard to believe someone hasn't thought of this before... My apologies if this is duplicate of another's thought.
February 25th, 2018 at 11:10:37 AM
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On the current Gambling With An Edge podcast, Bob (or maybe Richard) made a comment that in Baccarat, if banker or player comes out several times in a row, the bettors would generally bet with the streak. Conversely, in Roulette, if red or black comes out several times in a row, the bettors will generally bet against it.
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http://www.DaveMillerGaming.com/ —————————————————————————————————————
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February 25th, 2018 at 5:21:22 PM
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Quote: DJTeddyBearOn the current Gambling With An Edge podcast, Bob (or maybe Richard) made a comment that in Baccarat, if banker or player comes out several times in a row, the bettors would generally bet with the streak. Conversely, in Roulette, if red or black comes out several times in a row, the bettors will generally bet against it.
My fave streak story is from Vegas about 12
years ago. MGM Grand, 12 reds in a row on
the board. Here comes a guy dragging his
suitcase, running up to the table. Buys in
for $1500 and bets $100 on black
Red wins, he put's $200 on black. Red win,
$400 on black. Red win, put's $800 on
black. Red wins and he looks like a balloon
with all the air let out. He just lost his whole
$1500 BR that was supposed to last all
weekend. Red won 4 more times and black
finally hit. The loser started crying FOUL
FOUL!. He was cheated, it's not possible
to have that many reds in a row.
He lost the argument but gave the rest of us
great entertainment.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
February 25th, 2018 at 6:27:53 PM
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Streaks happen... After the fact, and NEVER pradictcable.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
February 25th, 2018 at 6:51:59 PM
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Apparently, some roulette dealers have the ability to put the ball in the region of certain numbers. Im not a roulette player, but a dealer at a local casino told me that one of their roulette dealers was fired and i think taken to court by the casino for conspiring with a player/friend by placing the ball in numbers that the guy was betting on. They watched video tapes for 3 months on the guy and apparently had just cause.... so there must be something to it.
I dont normally play roulette, but when i do, I play 2nd 12 and 3rd 12 laying 2 for 1 with approximately 64% probability of winning per spin. Only play it when I feel like sitting for a minute , or hot chicks are on the table. Stay thirsty my friends.
I dont normally play roulette, but when i do, I play 2nd 12 and 3rd 12 laying 2 for 1 with approximately 64% probability of winning per spin. Only play it when I feel like sitting for a minute , or hot chicks are on the table. Stay thirsty my friends.
'Winners hit n run... Losers stick around'
February 28th, 2018 at 4:20:24 PM
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Quote: EvenBobNope, a total lie. I've said from the
start that it's all about figuring out
how random works.
then you need to look up the meaning of the word random.
get second you pig
