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July 1st, 2013 at 7:38:06 PM permalink
In this post I will attempt to determine the value of an admission package to the annual Firecracker Bingo, which takes place this Saturday at Foxwoods. Here are the basics about the Firecracker Bingo:

- The cost is $500 per admission package

- Each admission package includes the following:

1) one admission ticket (for door prizes)
2) 6 earlybird cards
3) 12 regular cards
4) one "U-Pick-Em" card
5) one "Bonanza" card

Next, there are five different bingo seating "venues" available:

1) General admission (3,769 seats)
2) Video terminals in the smoking room (90 seats)
3) Video terminals in the non-smoking room (41 seats)
4) Video terminals in the non-smoking room with slots (100 seats)
5) Portable video tablets (144 tablets are available)

Anyone playing video bingo must purchase at least two admission packages for their video device, up to a maximum of four admission packages. Video bingo players can also play paper cards.

At a video terminal (venues 2, 3, and 4), the maximum number of paper cards that can fit is 18, although it is a tight fit and few people will do that. So for the video terminals, the maximum number of regular cards that can be played on the video terminal is 48, and the the maximum number of paper cards that can be played is 18.

Next, I will address the maximum number of paper cards a person sitting in General Admission can reasonably play. It is my opinion that numbers are called rather fast at Foxwoods, about 7 or 8 seconds apart. When I play bingo locally, where a 12-second timer is used, I typically play 24 paper cards, and can handle up to 30. I do not consider myself the fastest bingo player, but I'm no slowpoke either. When I play at Foxwoods though, I usually stick to 18 paper cards, but I can handle 24 and have done so a few times. So I will say that the maximum number of paper cards a person sitting in General Admission can realistically play at Foxwoods is 24.

The video tablets are portable and can be used by anyone sitting in General Admission. Like the video terminals, video tablets can hold up to 48 regular cards, but unlike the video terminals, the player has room to play 24 paper cards.

Putting all of this together, here is the worst-case scenario for the number of regular cards that could be in play at Foxwoods:

Venue Seats Video Cards Paper Cards Cards Per Seat Total Cards
General admission - paper 3,625 0 24 24 87,000
General admission - video tablet 144 48 24 72 10,368
Video terminal 231 48 18 66 15,246
Total 4,000 112,614


So in the worst-case scenario, there could be over 112,000 cards in play. However, there isn't enough room (in my opinion) for everyone in General Admission to play 24 paper cards each.

It used to be that if you wanted extra paper cards, you had to buy them in increments of 6 cards, but this has been changed so that you can buy extra cards in increments of 3, which I assume will be an option for the Firecracker bingo.

It should come as no surprise that many of the bingo players at Foxwoods are, as the French would say, "of the third age." I think the majority of the older players will stick to the 12 regular cards that come with the admission package. Some players will buy 3 extra cards, some will buy 6 extra, some 9 extra, and some 12 extra. I am going to guess (which I hate doing, but will anyway) that as the number of cards increases, the number of people playing that many cards will decrease roughly by half. Here is my guesstimate for the number of paper cards that will be in play by people who are sitting in General Admission:

Cards Seats Total
12 1,950 23,400
15 970 14,550
18 485 8,730
21 243 5,103
24 121 2,904
Total 3,769 54,687


For video terminals and tablets, I'm going to take a similar approach based on the number of admission packages purchased for the video device:

Cards Seats Total
24 214 5,136
36 107 3,852
48 54 2,592
Total 231 11,580


The last estimate is the number of paper cards played by people sitting at a video terminal:

Cards Seats Total
6 119 714
9 60 540
12 30 360
15 15 225
18 7 126
Total 231 1,965


Adding it all up, my final estimate of the total number of regular cards that will be in play is 68,232. To allow a reasonable margin of error, I'll round this up a bit and call it 70,000.

The regular games include 15 prizes of $20,000 each. The following table shows the expected return (or "fair share") of each $20,000 prize based on the number of cards the person is playing and 70,000 total cards in play:

Cards EV per Game EV per Session
12 $3.43 $51.43
15 $4.29 $64.29
18 $5.14 $77.14
21 $6.00 $90.00
24 $6.86 $102.86
27 $7.71 $115.71
30 $8.57 $128.57
33 $9.43 $141.43
36 $10.29 $154.29
39 $11.14 $167.14
42 $12.00 $180.00
45 $12.86 $192.86
48 $13.71 $205.71
51 $14.57 $218.57
54 $15.43 $231.43
57 $16.29 $244.29
60 $17.14 $257.14
63 $18.00 $270.00
66 $18.86 $282.86
69 $19.71 $295.71
72 $20.57 $308.57


The main attraction is the "Super Jackpot" game. It is played on regular cards, but extra strips of 3 cards can be purchased for this game specifically. The Super Jackpot game has one $10,000 prize; two $25,000 prizes; and the $1,000,000 prize. Because extra cards can be bought just for this game, and because it is the main attraction, I don't think it is unreasonable to suspect that there might be 100,000 cards in play. So here is the EV of the Super Jackpot game based on 100,000 cards in play:

Cards EV
12 $127.20
15 $159.00
18 $190.80
21 $222.60
24 $254.40
27 $286.20
30 $318.00
33 $349.80
36 $381.60
39 $413.40
42 $445.20
45 $477.00
48 $508.80
51 $540.60
54 $572.40
57 $604.20
60 $636.00
63 $667.80
66 $699.60
69 $731.40
72 $763.20


There are other games to consider as well; the "U-Pick-Em" game which pays $10,000; and the Bonanza game which also pays $10,000. Both games have a jackpot, but the U-Pick-Em jackpot is almost always lower than the $10,000 consolation prize (in which case it pays $10,000 regardless), and with the Bonanza you must fill a card in 48 numbers to win the jackpot, which is unlikely and would make the math more complex than it already is, so I'm treating its prize as just being the consolation prize too. I estimate that both games will have about 10,000 cards in play, making the EV of each card about $1.

Then there are the door prizes. The top prize is a 2013 Chevy Corvette, which appears to be worth about $70,000 if you were to buy it at retail. There is also $100,000 in cash prizes. I think the $100,000 is split up as two $25,000 winners and ten $5,000 winners.

The worst-case scenario would have about 5,500 admission tickets, but I think 5,000 is a reasonable estimate. Based on that, here is the EV (return) of each door prize ticket, treating the Corvette as a cash prize even though it isn't:

Prize EV per Drawing Drawings Total EV
Corvette $14 1 $14
$25,000 $5 2 $10
$5,000 $1 10 $10
Total $34


So the door prizes return about $34.

You also get 6 earlybirds. Using similar voodoo for the earlybird games, I estimate that there will be about 40,000 earlybird cards in play. With five $5,000 games, the following table shows the approximate EV based on the number of earlybird cards played:

Cards EV per Game Total EV
6 $0.75 $3.75
12 $1.50 $7.50
18 $2.25 $11.25
24 $3.00 $15.00
30 $3.75 $18.75
36 $4.50 $22.50


So, if you were to only buy the $500 admission without buying any extra cards, I estimate the total return from bingo and door prizes to be:

Source Return $ Return %
Earlybirds $3.75 0.75%
Regulars $51.43 10.29%
Super Jackpot $127.20 25.44%
U-Pick-Em $1.00 0.20%
Bonanza $1.00 0.20%
Door Prizes $34.00 6.80%
Total 43.68%


If you bought your ticket in advance and picked it up no later than one day before the event, you get twice the normal comp dollars, so $100 instead of $50. Treating comp dollars as cash (which is a bit of a stretch), this brings the return to 63.68%.

You also get a "complimentary" buffet with your admission, which is worth $12 to $20 depending on which meal you use it for. Most likely you would use it for dinner (the $20 buffet), bringing the return to 67.68%.

I believe there will also be at least $50 in additional comp points and a "free" game received inside a "mystery envelope" given with each admission package, which is typical for the larger sessions. Treating the $50 in comps as cash again, this adds another 10% and the "free" game adds 0.2%.

You also get free admission to the following morning's bingo session, which would otherwise cost $15, adding another 3%.

So, assuming that the session is sold out, and that all of the assumptions, guesses, and estimates I made above are accurate, the overall return appears to be almost 81%. So the net cost is about $100 for a chance at the $1,000,000 prize. Obviously it's a slim chance, but somebody is guaranteed to win (or split) it.

As of the time of writing this, 3693 admission packages have been reserved, meaning that there will be at least 44,316 regular cards in play. I leave Friday and will follow up on how things went in about a week.
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July 2nd, 2013 at 9:24:09 AM permalink
Good start! I'm assuming this is one of the biggest bingo games worldwide?
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July 2nd, 2013 at 10:12:55 AM permalink
JB -
You forgot to include the T-shirt. Or is that valued at $0? lol

Tringlomane -
It's huge. It's easy to think of 4,000 people in a concert size theater. But spread them out, only 3 people per 8 foot table, and it's just stupid huge. The main room is so big, there are restrooms at both ends.


The wife and I used to play in that game. The last year we did it was in 2007. That Saturday was 7/7/7. There was no mention of the date on the T-shirt. I'm thinking "Really? That didn't occur to them? Hell, even a 'Gambling is the devils work' type of bible thumper knows the significance of 777!"
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July 2nd, 2013 at 10:18:30 AM permalink
Gee, Bingo does not show up on thread title heading? I was hoping for a discussion about cherry bombs and roman candles. Damn, they were dangerous . LOL
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July 2nd, 2013 at 10:48:23 AM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

only 3 people per 8 foot table


I wish we could be that spread out this weekend! The word "sardines" comes to mind. I am hoping to have enough room Saturday to play 24 cards.

Quote: DJTeddyBear

The main room is so big, there are restrooms at both ends.


The main room has 3 women's restrooms and two men's restrooms, and the non-smoking room has another set.

Quote: tringlomane

Good start! I'm assuming this is one of the biggest bingo games worldwide?


Quite possibly the biggest bingo event. There might be something bigger in the UK, but I'm not sure. I am hoping to be able to record enough statistics for each game to use the Wizard's bingo calculator upon returning to "posthumously" estimate how many cards were in play. I don't know if I will be able to though, since they keep a fast pace.

Quote: DJTeddyBear

You forgot to include the T-shirt. Or is that valued at $0? lol


For most people it will end up being a $500 T-shirt.
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July 9th, 2013 at 3:52:02 PM permalink
How did this go JB?
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July 9th, 2013 at 3:53:05 PM permalink
I'm actually putting together a nice long post about it...stay tuned.
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July 9th, 2013 at 3:54:36 PM permalink
Waiting... Anxiously haha
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July 9th, 2013 at 4:18:33 PM permalink
Quote: JB

I'm actually putting together a nice long post about it...stay tuned.



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July 9th, 2013 at 6:34:36 PM permalink
Okay, I am back from Foxwoods with my $500 T-shirt. Here is an overview of what happened on Saturday, July 6, 2013:

4:00 AM
I woke up and got ready for the day.

4:47 AM
I arrived at the bingo lobby, and was pleasantly surprised to see that there were hardly any people waiting yet. I got in the line I needed to be in with only 9 people in front of me. Doors were supposed to open at 7:00 AM, so I felt like I was definitely going to be one of the first people in.

6:20 AM
The lobby had been steadily filling up. Before I continue, at every Foxwoods bingo session (big ones like the Firecracker as well as cheap, run-of-the-mill sessions), there is almost always a line that forms in between the rightmost two video bingo lines where people wait for the doors to open to go in and get a seat. Today was no different. At around 6:20 or 6:25 something triggered a few dozen people to run over to this line because they must have thought that they were going to be let in to get a seat. They slowly and begrudgingly trickled back to the lines they had been in before running over. One of the people who had done this was the girl behind me in my line. There were 3 or 4 lines for video bingo, 4 lines for general paper bingo, and a big maze/line set up for people who had reservations but had not yet picked up their tickets. There was also a line outside the other end of the bingo hall, near the Rainmaker parking garage elevator.

6:40 AM
At this point the line to be let in to get a seat had re-formed and significantly grown in size. In fact, one of the first persons in this line was the girl who was behind me in my line. At the other end, the Rainmaker entrance, the handicapped admission line is actually located inside the bingo hall. And as soon as the handicapped folks were let in to go to the Handicapped Admissions line, the people in the "let me in to get my seats" line were let in, and they started RUNNING. Even old ladies were literally RUNNING to get their desired seats!

6:55 AM
The girl behind me in my line that had stepped away to save her seat was back in line behind me now. At this point, I was a little furious, not with her but with how everything was (or was not) coordinated. In my opinion, other than the handicapped folks, the only people who should be let inside the bingo hall to get a seat are people who have already been waited on and had their cards in their hand (i.e. first come first served), yet my line hadn't even started moving yet. I said, "This is bulls---, I've been in line for over 2 hours, 10th place in line, and all the f---ing good seats are gone! I can't step out of line to save a seat because then I'll lose my place, this is ridiculous!" Fortunately, the girl behind me took pity on me and ran in and saved me a seat next to hers, and still made it back to my line before the worker in our line started selling cards. In reality, I probably could have gone in to save my own seat and gotten back in line where I had been for the last 2+ hours, but I didn't want to take the chance of losing my place in that line because it was enormous at this point. Nevertheless, I thanked the girl who saved my seat and I waited for her before I went in after I had received my cards.

7:15 AM
I had my cards and was in my seat, and was quite happy with its location, not far from the caller. (Thank you, Maria! [the girl who saved my seat]) The only other time I went, I was squeezed in way in the back near the food counter in the non-smoking section, so this was a VIP seat compared to the last time I went! My mother and my aunt, who had also gone, were not too far away from me, sitting on the non-smoking side. A couple of friends from my area were also attending, and they were deeper in the middle of the smoking section. I started preparing everything, and they kept announcing how "every single seat in the house has been sold" so that people would not take up more than one seat of space. I had to layer all of my cards (for other games) on top of each other as opposed to putting them off to my side or across the table in front of me, but it wasn't too bad. I seem to recall being much more cramped last time, and I was able to play 24 cards this time.

10:30 AM
People are ready to play! A bunch of people on both sides of the stage started pounding their daubers on the tables or clapping their hands in sync for a little while. Eventually the boss man goes up on stage and starts off with "Who feels like a million bucks today?" which of course resulted in cheers and applause, and then "I couldn't hear you, I said who feels like a million bucks today?" with a louder response. He then apologized for the delay, thanked everyone for their patience, and finally said, "Let's play bingo!"

10:45 AM
The games started, and people were cheering and clapping after each game was won. The first regular ($20,000) game was won by a single person, and that same person also won on the second game, although she had to split the $20,000 three ways on the second game. Nevertheless, $26,667 wasn't a bad start to the day for her! She was seated a few tables behind me.

A $20,000 Mistake
On one of the regular games, where the pattern was a straight line with the four corners, bingo was called by 5 people. As the cards were verified, one of them had a bingo but did not have the last number called. This means that the person missed it, and would have won the $20,000 by themselves had they called bingo as soon as they had it. Instead their card was disqualified and the other four people split the $20,000. This usually happens at least once per session at Foxwoods, but missing out on $20,000 must have hurt.

Intermission - Door Prizes
The first door prize was the 2013 Corvette. A grandma from Massachusetts won it, and they invited her up on stage. However, she announced that she was going to give it to her (19-year old?) grandson, who they also invited up on stage, and they handed the keys to the Corvette to him. After the Corvette was won, they drew cash door prizes as follows (which were way off from my estimate earlier in this thread):
2 tickets for $10,000 each
10 tickets for $5,000 each
10 tickets for $2,500 each
and 5 tickets for $1,000 each

The $1,000,000 Game
I don't recall what time it started, but eventually we reached the Super Jackpot game. First there are the Letter X and the Letter L for $25,000 each, and then we continued for the $1,000,000. This year, the $1,000,000 prize was won by a single winner who was sitting in the non-smoking room. All morning long, whenever someone's winning number appeared, you would know it as soon as it appeared on the monitor because the soon-to-be-winner would either let out a yelp, or you would hear a group of people from their area collectively go "awww!" or "ohhhh!" or something. However, on the million dollar game, since the winner was sitting in the non-smoking room, the majority of us (3500+) had no clue that someone would win on the number in the monitor until after it was called and the worker in the non-smoking room came over the microphone to announce bingo. The winning number this year was B-7.

After verifying the bingo they closed the game with the one winner and invited her to the stage. Two nets full of red, white, and blue balloons were suspended from the ceiling; at this point they opened the nets to release the balloons, which fell towards the tables and floor around my area because I was underneath one of them. People immediately took to the aisles and started popping the balloons with their pens, and it literally sounded like firecrackers going off. It was very surreal as normal behavior was suspended for a while as dozens or maybe even hundreds of people joined in the balloon-popping fun. Some people also played "keep the balloon in the air" for a while by hitting it around from person to person and table to table, until someone finally popped it with her pen.

I did record video during the $1,000,000 game but it came out lousy because I was so close to the stage, the callers could see me and they had been announcing all day that photography was prohibited, so I kept turning my phone towards the table whenever it looked like the callers were watching me (and it was very obvious that I was filming if they were). So rather than offer the video, what I did was take a couple frames from it, and I put together an edited (shortened) audio clip of the winning moment and the balloon-popping:



4:00 PM
The session was finally over with, with balloon debris all over the aisles (which workers started cleaning up while we were still playing bingo), and long lines had already formed for the evening bingo session, which I wasn't going to play, but did end up playing.

Summary
I did not win, of course, although unlike the first Firecracker bingo I attended, I did manage to get down to one number on one of the games this time. Whoopee.

The Results
Here is a summary of the games that were played, how many numbers they went in, and how many winners there were:

Warm-up 1: Hardway Bingo: 10 numbers, 2 winners ($500)
Warm-up 2: Hardway Bingo: 11 numbers, 1 winner ($500)
Warm-up 3: Hardway Bingo: 10 numbers, 4 winners ($500)
Warm-up 4: Hardway Bingo: 10 numbers, 1 winner ($500)
Warm-up 5: Hardway Bingo: 16 numbers, 5 winners ($500)

Warm-up 6: Hardway Bingo: 8 numbers, 1 winner ($1,199)
Warm-up 7: Hardway Bingo: 11 numbers, 1 winner ($1,199)
Warm-up 8: Hardway Bingo: 9 numbers, 1 winner ($1,199)
Warm-up 9: Hardway Bingo: 9 numbers, 2 winners ($1,199)
Warm-up 10: Hardway Bingo: 9 numbers, 1 winner ($1,199)

Earlybird 1: Hardway Bingo: 9 numbers, 2 winners ($5,000)
Earlybird 2: Hardway Bingo: 10 numbers, 2 winners ($5,000)
Earlybird 3: Double Postage Stamp: 15 numbers, 1 winner ($5,000)
Earlybird 4: Line and Corners: 16 numbers, 1 winner ($5,000)
Earlybird 5: Letter X: 13 numbers, 1 winner ($5,000)

Special 1: Triple Bingo (wild #): 23 numbers, 1 winner ($6,000)
Special 2: Nine Block: 19 numbers, 1 winner ($6,000)
Special 3: Crazy T: 16 numbers, 1 winner ($6,000)
Special 4: Line and Stamp: 12 numbers, 2 winners ($6,000)
Special 5A: Hardway Bingo: 11 numbers, 1 winner ($1,000)
Special 5B: Crazy L: 21 numbers, 2 winners ($6,000)
Special 6A: Hardway Bingo: 11 numbers, 6 winners ($1,000)
Special 6B: B-N-O lines: 25 numbers, 3 winners ($6,000)
Special 7A: Hardway Bingo: 9 numbers, 1 winner ($1,000)
Special 7B: Double Hardway: 20 numbers, 1 winner ($6,000)
Special 8A: Indian Star: 32 numbers, 1 winner ($1,000)
Special 8B: Full Card: 49 numbers, 1 winner ($6,000)

Regular 1: Double Bingo: 14 numbers, 1 winner ($20,000)
Regular 2: Small Frame: 16 numbers, 3 winners ($20,000)
Regular 3: Hardway Bingo: 13 numbers, 23 winners ($20,000)
Regular 4: Double Bingo: 16 numbers, 2 winners ($20,000)
Regular 5: Line and Corners: 14 numbers, 1 winner ($20,000)
Regular 6: Double Bingo: 16 numbers, 2 winners ($20,000)
Regular 7: Large Diamond: 20 numbers, 1 winner ($20,000)
Regular 8: Double Cross: 15 numbers, 1 winner ($20,000)
Regular 9: Triple Bingo: 21 numbers, 1 winner ($20,000)
Regular 10: Double Postage Stamp: 17 numbers, 4 winners ($20,000)
Regular 11: Letter Y (up or down): 11 numbers, 1 winner ($20,000)
Regular 12: Line and Corners: official results are 23 numbers, 4 winners -- this is the game where someone missed their bingo; I don't know how many numbers would have been out when they had their bingo, obviously no more than 22
Regular 13: Nine-Block: 21 numbers, 3 winners ($20,000)
Regular 14: Double Bingo: 17 numbers, 1 winner ($20,000)
Regular 15: Triple Bingo: 24 numbers, 2 winners ($20,000)

Super Jackpot: Letter X: 15 numbers, 1 winner ($25,000)
Super Jackpot: Letter L: 34 numbers, 4 winners ($25,000)
Super Jackpot: First Full Card: 51 numbers, 1 winner ($1,000,000)
Super Jackpot: Second Full Card: 53 numbers, 1 winner ($10,000)

Quickie 0: Full Card: 60 numbers, 4 winners ($1,000) -- this is the "free" game that comes with a large book of specials
Quickie 1: Full Card: 56 numbers, 1 winner ($2,000)
Quickie 2: Full Card: 56 numbers, 1 winner ($2,000)
Quickie 3: Full Card: 58 numbers, 2 winners ($2,000)
Quickie 4: Full Card: 58 numbers, 1 winner ($2,000)

Winner's Choice A: Double Bingo: 14 numbers, 1 winner ($500)
Winner's Choice B: Triple Bingo: 25 numbers, 1 winner ($1,199) - the prize varies; the winner picks a stuffed animal with a secret prize amount, which was $1,199

U-Pick-Em: 30 numbers, 3 winners ($10,000) -- you pick 8 numbers on a special card, and win if all 8 numbers called. This is the game I got one away on.

Bonanza: Full Card: 55 numbers, 1 winner ($10,000)

Estimates
Here are my estimates of how many cards were in play for each type:

Warm-ups, set 1: 13,000
Warm-ups, set 2: 20,000
Earlybirds: 100,000
Specials: 100,000
Regulars: 100,000
Jackpot Game: 120,000
Quickies: 5,000 to 7,500
Winner's Choice: 65,000
"Free" Quickie: 5,000
U-Pick-Em: 9,000
Bonanza: 12,000

These estimates are based on the following factors:

(1) the mathematical average number of cards in play for each game given the distribution of numbers that were called
(2) averaging the results of each estimate for each group of cards
(3) the realistic maximum number of cards that could be played, and
(4) my own opinion/instincts

Observations and Opinions
Your position in line to buy cards is in no way correlated to your position in line to get through the door and get a seat, which I don't like, but it is what it is. So next time, the proper way to do it is to have someone stand in line for cards, and someone else stand in line to run in and get seats.

Foxwoods bingo is severely understaffed, or at least they were this weekend. I mentioned how I played in the Saturday night session; I also played Sunday night. At both of those sessions, floor workers who sell additional cards inside the bingo room were few and far between, and people were viciously trying to find one or get one to wait on them. On Saturday night when one finally appeared, she was instantly bombarded with a line of about 100 people. They did have a walk-up Paper Sales booth open where you could get extra cards from a worker there (which I did), but people really wanted to be waited on without leaving their seats. The Saturday night session did not start until 8:08 PM, some of which was a result of the Firecracker bingo running late, and some of which was a result of there being a shortage of floor workers, and it didn't get out until just after 1:00 AM. On Sunday night, I was the first person in line for paper card sales, and the three Video Bingo lines opened up about half an hour before anyone even showed up to sell paper cards. Once again, your position in line is ultimately meaningless. So, there were many situations where tempers were flaring (including my own) this weekend.

I thought it used to be that, when you get a free admission to the Sunday morning session included with the purchase of an admission for a Saturday morning session, that you could use it whenever you wanted as a $15 credit towards any session. As it turns out, that is not the case. You can only use it as a $15 credit towards the same Saturday's evening session, or you can use it as intended on the following Sunday morning session, and that's it. You cannot use it on the Sunday evening session, even though that is also a $15 session! I think this is ridiculous, especially since the payouts are lower on Sunday night than they are on Sunday morning, yet the admission price is the same.

Aside from that, a few other things that were interesting were: on Sunday night, a husband and wife sat down to my left. At one point I looked over and he had an order of onion rings, and he was cutting them into bite-sized pieces with a pair of scissors! Also, earlier that night, an older gentleman had collapsed and they had to call an ambulance. The people seated around him (who stood up as soon as he keeled over) started shouting; I thought they had a bingo until one of them said "Call an ambulance!" After a couple minutes, people seated a little further away were shouting because they couldn't see the monitor or hear the caller because of all the people standing up. Foxwoods: Anything But Ordinary — indeed!
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July 9th, 2013 at 7:28:14 PM permalink
Great review, but who starts their story with the end?
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July 9th, 2013 at 9:35:07 PM permalink
Thanks for the review JB! Sorry you didn't win - better luck next time!
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June 3rd, 2014 at 6:46:24 AM permalink
Thank you!!!! Thank you!!!!! Thank you!!!!! I think you just saved me over $400. I won't be going to the firecracker bingo and only going to the evening session. What a rip off. So glad you posted this so I could see with my own eye.
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June 3rd, 2014 at 7:17:34 AM permalink
Quote: pinamia

Thank you!!!! Thank you!!!!! Thank you!!!!! I think you just saved me over $400. I won't be going to the firecracker bingo and only going to the evening session. What a rip off. So glad you posted this so I could see with my own eye.


The evening session that follows the Firecracker is almost worst than the Firecracker itself. The lines are just as bad as the Firecracker, and the lobby will be full by the time the Firecracker finishes. Last year it started late, was understaffed (in terms of floor workers), and didn't finish until 1:00 AM.
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June 4th, 2014 at 8:33:30 PM permalink
That makes sense. Anytime there is a mystery envelope, everyone comes out. I will be preordering a video one so maybe it might be easier. I know the odds are stacked against me. I'm okay with staying there longer since I have booked 2 nights already at the bingo rate of $169 a night at the Two Trees Inn. It is a good deal for Fri and Sat. So I kind of feel guilty if I don't do at least some Bingo. Sunday I'm leaving and want to leave before all the traffic. Thank you for saving me some money. Wonderful post you have. People need to know all this before going.
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June 5th, 2014 at 3:03:04 PM permalink
Are you going this year again? Have you been at any mystery envelopes lately? I haven't done the mystery in a while. Last time I went for two regular bingo sessions and of course no winning ever.
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June 5th, 2014 at 3:20:46 PM permalink
Quote: pinamia

Are you going this year again? Have you been at any mystery envelopes lately? I haven't done the mystery in a while. Last time I went for two regular bingo sessions and of course no winning ever.



I have a payout sheet which, I imagine, is similar to last year's Firecracker. Lots of$20,000 games.

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