Mulligan Poker debuts in Calgary
Now that it officially has a placement I got around to making a page for Mulligan Poker. As always, I welcome comments, questions, and corrections.
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Quote: BuzzardCongratulations. Please do not parley any royalty check by betting against a safety in the Super Bowl.
I probably will.
Quote: WizardI probably will.
I knew that, Mike. But the CONGRATULATIONS was indeed sincere.
Quote: WizardMuch to my surprise, I learned today that Mulligan Poker is 30 days into a 90-day field trial at the Stampede Casino in Calgary. It is reported to be doing as well as their Ultimate Texas Hold 'Em game, and slowly gaining popularity.
Now that it officially has a placement I got around to making a page for Mulligan Poker. As always, I welcome comments, questions, and corrections.
Congratulations, Wiz!
Quote:The game was invented by patented by yours truly and marketed by Shuffle Entertainment.
"The game was invented and patented by..."
Quote:3...The player may optionally make a Pair Plus bet as well.
Redundant. "The player may optionally make a Pair Plus bet," or, "The player has the option of making a Pair Plus bet."
Page looks good!
The biggest thing I like about this game is that it creates a game with no "qualifier", but I wish you (could?) have upped the payouts just a tad. But 3.57% of an ante is probably what the casino brass wants for a game like this. :(
Bet of luck!
I kinda surprised SHFL didn't tell you about it. Don't they know you have friends and/or WoV members near almost every casino on this continent? Wouldn't they want a friendly face who might not otherwise try the game to sit?
Whatever. Sounds like its well on its way to a successful field trial. Congrats.
The page looks good to me too.
Quote: WizardMuch to my surprise, I learned today that Mulligan Poker is 30 days into a 90-day field trial at the Stampede Casino in Calgary. It is reported to be doing as well as their Ultimate Texas Hold 'Em game, and slowly gaining popularity.
Now that it officially has a placement I got around to making a page for Mulligan Poker. As always, I welcome comments, questions, and corrections.
Congrats, Michael! (Although I was a bit disappointed to see the 3:1 Flush payout on the pair-plus bet. Do you think this will be the standard or do you think there will be 4:1 payout tables? As one who regularly plays -EV games, even I can't bring myself to play a game with that pay-table, I just think it's too "greedy" of the particular casino...
I took a look at the Cowboys Casino website (looked to me like Stampede Casino became Cowboys Casino around 2010) and they list having 34 tables so that is a nice sized floor. The place even has the "Cowgirls Corral" party pit!
Didn't look like they had any 3 Card Poker Tables listed on the site, so Mulligan may be the only Three Card Game on the floor. That is a nice situation for the launch. Lots of luck on the initial install.....let's hope Mulligan Poker finds its niche!
Good luck, and with many more installs.
Game looks spot-on.
Quote: Paradigmlooked to me like Stampede Casino became Cowboys Casino around 2010
You seem to be right, thanks for that correction.
I've never been to Calgary, but from what I understand of Alberta, the province gives a limited number of casino licenses in major cities. Those who purchased such licenses when they first became available made out very well.
I hope your game takes off like EZ Pai-Gow has recently. I see the game everywhere, at Fallsview in the Falls and at CZR Windsor (where I am now).
Good luck!
Quote: WizardYou seem to be right, thanks for that correction.
I've never been to Calgary, but from what I understand of Alberta, the province gives a limited number of casino licenses in major cities. Those who purchased such licenses when they first became available made out very well.
Well you should visit here...not sure you would like winter time but a summer visit is a must. Banff to Jasper is something EVERYBODY should take in at least once in their lifetimes.
1) There is no play bet? I gather if I like my cards, I stand and get paid, assuming I win, as per the table for the ante bet.
2) If I don't make a Pair+ bet, can I make it when I do the Mulligan? Basic common sense tells me "no."
The description indicates that the player decides to stand or take a Mulligan. It doesn't indicate when the decision to "raise" is made. I think it needs to be inserted.
Quote: coilmanWell you should visit here...not sure you would like winter time but a summer visit is a must. Banff to Jasper is something EVERYBODY should take in at least once in their lifetimes.
Oh yes, let me second that. Did it last year, planning on doing it again. Seriously amazing drive.
Quote: AyecarumbaThe description indicates that the player decides to stand or take a Mulligan. It doesn't indicate when the decision to "raise" is made. I think it needs to be inserted.
There is no "raise" or "play" bet made in this 3 card game if you like your first hand. However, since that question has now been raised a couple of times, it would seem a confirmation that no "play" bet is made (unlike Three Card Poker) when you like your original hand and don't take a Mulligan, is required for clarification.
Quote: ParadigmThere is no "raise" or "play" bet made in this 3 card game if you like your first hand. However, since that question has now been raised a couple of times, it would seem a confirmation that no "play" bet is made (unlike Three Card Poker) when you like your original hand and don't take a Mulligan, is required for clarification.
Probably so, since 95% of players playing this will much more familiar with 3 Card Poker.
Quote: ParadigmThere is no "raise" or "play" bet made in this 3 card game if you like your first hand. However, since that question has now been raised a couple of times, it would seem a confirmation that no "play" bet is made (unlike Three Card Poker) when you like your original hand and don't take a Mulligan, is required for clarification.
The "Ante Analysis" has a "Raise" column for the various hands. What is it referring to?
Quote: AyecarumbaThe "Ante Analysis" has a "Raise" column for the various hands. What is it referring to?
Taking a "Mulligan", and that needs to be fixed along with "The player will raise make the Mulligan bet in Mulligan Poker 50.0% of the time."
Quote: tringlomaneTaking a "Mulligan", and that needs to be fixed along with "The player will raise make the Mulligan bet in Mulligan Poker 50.0% of the time."
Ahh, that makes sense now. I notice in the picture on the webpage that the player has, what appears to be, two hands and four spots with bets. Actually, one of the hands is dead, just not collected... right?
If you knew what the other players were holding (e.g., all low cards in two suits), would there ever be a situation where you could dump a hand with a low pair knowing that you have a decent chance to improve with a Mulligan, or even a Pair Plus winner? Let's say you're sitting at third base, and actually know what every player holds, including their Mulligan hand's...
Quote: NareedI'm a bit unclear on the rules:
1) There is no play bet? I gather if I like my cards, I stand and get paid, assuming I win, as per the table for the ante bet.
2) If I don't make a Pair+ bet, can I make it when I do the Mulligan? Basic common sense tells me "no."
1. There is no play bet. If you like your original hand you stand and get paid based on it if you win.
2. That should be allowed, although I doubt it would happen very often.
Quote: AyecarumbaI notice in the picture on the webpage that the player has, what appears to be, two hands and four spots with bets. Actually, one of the hands is dead, just not collected... right?
Hopefully they simplified the layout in Calgary. There doesn't need to be two Pair Plus spots.
Quote:If you knew what the other players were holding (e.g., all low cards in two suits), would there ever be a situation where you could dump a hand with a low pair knowing that you have a decent chance to improve with a Mulligan, or even a Pair Plus winner? Let's say you're sitting at third base, and actually know what every player holds, including their Mulligan hand's...
I haven't studied it, but my educated guess is such information would not overcome the house edge.
Quote: Wizard2. That should be allowed, although I doubt it would happen very often.
Really?
Here's my basic common sense: If I'm dealt trash, the odds of more trash in the mulligan hand should be lower. I don't suppose this makes for a player advantage at all. But for a recreational gambler (and who else plays 3CP and variants?), it would make sense to skip the Pair+ at first and then make it o the mulligan.
Of course I could be all wrong.
Quote: NareedHere's my basic common sense: If I'm dealt trash, the odds of more trash in the mulligan hand should be lower. I don't suppose this makes for a player advantage at all. But for a recreational gambler (and who else plays 3CP and variants?), it would make sense to skip the Pair+ at first and then make it o the mulligan.
Of course I could be all wrong.
You are. You can see from my page the house edge on the first Mulligan bet is 7.28% and is 7.65% on the second one. If you threw away the first hand, then we can assume that would be three different ranks, and 2 or 3 different suits. That makes it harder for form every paying hand on the second hand. It is hard to explain why.
Quote: WizardYou are. You can see from my page the house edge on the first Mulligan bet is 7.28% and is 7.65% on the second one. If you threw away the first hand, then we can assume that would be three different ranks, and 2 or 3 different suits. That makes it harder for form every paying hand on the second hand. It is hard to explain why.
It's counterintuitive for sure, but here is a simpler example from Texas Hold 'em on how good hands help create future good hands.
Probability of getting a pair: 13*C(4,2)/C(52,2) = 78/1326 = 0.05882
Probability of getting a pair after 1 player gets a pair: [12*C(4,2) + 1*C(2,2)]/C(50,2)] = 73/1225 = 0.05959
And generally speaking, I expect most rec gamblers will play Pair Plus both times! This game gets better and better the more that I think about it Mike!
Quote: WizardYou are.
How dare you!
;)
Quote:That makes it harder for form every paying hand on the second hand. It is hard to explain why.
Here's what I understand: instruct the dealer to remind the players they can make a pair+ bet on the mulligan hand, even if they dind't make one before the mulligan.
Quote: Nareed
Here's what I understand: instruct the dealer to remind the players they can make a pair+ bet on the mulligan hand, even if they dind't make one before the mulligan.
Damn right!
Quote: NareedHere's what I understand: instruct the dealer to remind the players they can make a pair+ bet on the mulligan hand, even if they dind't make one before the mulligan.
I would think most players would make it all the time or never, same as in Three Card Poker.
Quote: WizardI would think most players would make it all the time or never, same as in Three Card Poker.
My experience watching 3 card poker.
game. (it IS Canada, remember)
Quote: DJTeddyBearFunny. But I'm pretty sure they're actually playing Faro.
Its a joke about Canada, not about the game. Did
you ever watch SCTV in the 80's? Its a Canadian
comedy show where John Candy and Harold Ramis
and Martin Short and Rick Moranis came from.
They constantly made Canada the butt of their
sketches, one of the funniest shows ever on TV
and it made stars out of all the cast.
Quote: EvenBobIts a joke about Canada, not about the game. Did
you ever watch SCTV in the 80's? Its a Canadian
comedy show where John Candy and Harold Ramis
and Mertin Short and Rick Moranis came from.
They constantly made Canada the butt of their
sketches, one of the funniest shows ever on TV
and it made stars out of all the cast.
And it spawned Strange Brew, a great movie.
How I Met Your Mother.
Will be down in Calgary on Monday night if Bob Seger is over his illness and his concert is a go....seems its only a few blocks away from the Casino...hmmm
Quote: coilmanAny updates on how the new game is going?
Will be down in Calgary on Monday night if Bob Seger is over his illness and his concert is a go....seems its only a few blocks away from the Casino...hmmm
I asked for an update recently and was told it was still doing fairly well. Shufflemaster is working on getting into Kansas next, at the Sack & Fox or something like that.
If you're able to swing by, I'd appreciate a first hand account of how it is doing in Calgary.
Quote: WizardI asked for an update recently and was told it was still doing fairly well. Shufflemaster is working on getting into Kansas next, at the Sack & Fox or something like that.
If you're able to swing by, I'd appreciate a first hand account of how it is doing in Calgary.
That's awesome. I'm hoping it gets to Vegas someday, the concept is definitely fun sounding.
Quote: WizardI asked for an update recently and was told it was still doing fairly well. Shufflemaster is working on getting into Kansas next, at the Sack & Fox or something like that.
If you're able to swing by, I'd appreciate a first hand account of how it is doing in Calgary.
We are really hoping Bob Segers THIRD try to put on a concert in Alberta in a week goes off without a hitch....he is 0 for 2 so far. I've never seen him before even with the fact I lived across the river from Detroit over 40 years of my life.. Seeing how traffic is nuts around that city come 3:30 pm I plan on being downtown early and will likely be checking out the casino and your game.
I was going to print off a few copies of the page you posted in the first post to hand out to the players...maybe try to get a few people to join this site and give their first hand reports.
Did you really do that page up in Feb of 2012 ? as it says at the top
Quote: coilmanI was going to print off a few copies of the page you posted in the first post to hand out to the players...maybe try to get a few people to join this site and give their first hand reports.
Thanks for the thought, but please don't bother. I don't want the casino to get annoyed with you soliciting the players and blaming me or Shufflemaster.
Quote: teliotA Google search for "edge sorting Mulligan Poker" got directed to my blog today by someone. The APs are taking a good look.
Great. I'm sure some of them would love to destroy it.
Quote: WizardI asked for an update recently and was told it was still doing fairly well. Shufflemaster is working on getting into Kansas next, at the Sack & Fox or something like that.
I wish that casino was closer was a bit closer to KC to justify a trip. :( It's in the middle of nowhere's ville, and 4.75 hrs away from my house. :(
Dealer was very rough with dealing the game.....didnt know the payoffs and the patrons were actually telling him what the payoff should be. Part of the problem was the dealers chart was worn out .....its right where the dealers cards are flipped each time ( moving it a few inches away from the dealer towards the player would solve that problem. Dealer that tapped him out wasnt much better.
The two playing it seemed had played this before..... the fella if he had a good hand on his first hand was playing the mulligan hand also....as he called it a FREE HAND seeing how he already had a paying hand in the first hand. The dealer beat the two of them the first two hands with a pair in his three cards...even with one player having pairs in both in both those hands too...just smaller pairs. Not to worry next hand he received triple Jacks with $20 up on the bonus bet.
Looked like a pretty easy game to play .... would have been a lot better if the dealer was more experienced thats for sure......made a mistake of turning his cards over before dealing the players out their mulligan hands they had put money out to play. Once hit the button for the automatic card machine to cycle out the rest of the cards as if nobody wanted anymore....ended up dealing them out from the bottom of the leftover cards.
Off to see SEGER two blocks over at the Saddledome.....great concert.... amazing that Bob can still rock on like that for 2 hours at 67 yrs 10 months of age
Returned to the casino after the concert and the place got packed within 20 minutes or so. Mulligan Poker had no empty seats now. The young female dealer running the game was very good and the game ran a lot smoother. Talked with a pitboss for a few minutes about the game ... basically he said when it gets busy in the place the game is filling up....if its slower like it was before the concert its very slow. To be truthful before the concert the place had only a couple of tables open for blackjack, one rouillette one craps and the dealer waiting behind the chips on MULLIGAN THREE CARD I think they had the sign saying. Oh PAIGOW table was FULL
Noted early before the concert a pitboss came by around top of the hour to do a quick chip tally, number of players seated playing and check the counter they have on each table ( hand counter they use to keep count how many players have sat down that hour....she returned it to zero after noting the number)
The makeup of players in this casino on a Monday night was a pretty young crowd
The casino was paying off on BOTH..... PAIR PLUS bets if the person played the mulligan hand and put money down on that bet again.
Something SHFL might want to look into if its wrong and might be resulting in the casino making less than they should be off the game.
The make up of the players when the table was full showed it appealed to all
1 female
2 Asians one older one in his twenties( same guy that was playing before the concert)
1 man of color
2 middle age white men
