April 19th, 2011 at 12:41:02 AM
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Article by one of the leading experts of gaming laws, I. Nelson Rose. I don't necessarily agree with all of his conclusions but it's an interesting read from someone who knows what they are talking about.
GAMBLING AND THE LAW®
Federal Poker Indictments: Revisiting Prohibition
The timing is suspicious.
March saw Nevada regulators approving a partnership between Caesars and 888, and Wynn announcing a joint venture with PokerStars. Now comes the indictments, three-billion-dollar civil suit and seizures of domain names by the feds. Wynn immediately cancelled his plans. Players were panicked.
Which was, of course, the goal.
If the allegations are true, the operators brought this on themselves, by lying and bribing bank officials. Of course, the prosecutors have the problem of convincing a jury that there is bank fraud when the "victims" are tricked into making millions of dollars.
And will this be the end of Internet poker? Did Prohibition end drinking?
Prohibition created modern organized crime, by outlawing alcoholic beverages. When people want something and it is illegal, organizations will arise to fill the demand. How much more so when the activity, online poker, is not even clearly illegal?
Every action by the U.S. federal government makes it more difficult for it to go after the next operator. The UIGEA, rammed through by the failed politician Bill Frist (R.-TN), can be seen as an anti-consumer-protection law, because it scared all of the publicly traded gaming companies out of the U.S. market. Then prosecutors went after payment processors, making it more difficult for players to find legitimate ways to send their money to betting sites.
Now the feds have seized .com domain names and charged operators with bank fraud. So, gaming sites are switching to .eu and .uk, and cutting off all physical contact with the U.S. Even the present American operators can’t be extradited, so what hope is there for the DoJ to bring future foreign operators here to stand trial?
The Grand Jury has been meeting for at least a year. The criminal indictment against PokerStars, Full Tilt, Absolute and their founders, was unsealed by the U.S. Attorney for New York on April 15, but bore a date-stamp of March 10. So why now?
Besides the Caesars-888 and Wynn-PokerStars agreements, the Nevada Assembly Judiciary Committee recently approved a bill to regulate online poker. And the District of Columbia actually made it legal.
The DoJ has been waging a war of intimidation against Internet gambling for years, successfully scaring players, operators, payment processors and affiliates into abandoning the American market. Lacking the two essentials to any prosecution – a statute that clearly makes the activity illegal and a defendant physically present in the U.S. – the feds have announced showy legal action against easy targets about every other year.
Online poker is not an easy target, since a federal Court of Appeal ruled the Wire Act is limited to bets on sports events. And tricking financial institutions into processing poker payments seems a technicality, especially since the banks made millions without paying a penny in fines.
But getting a bank to agree to process gambling transactions in return for a $10 million investment is an easier case, if true. I can understand approaching a small bank – so small that the officer and part-owner who allegedly arranged the deal, asked for, and received, only $20,000 for his “bonus.” But why would you do this in Utah, of all states?
There are lots of interesting nuggets in the legal papers. The DoJ claims that one-third of the billions of dollars players deposited went to the operators through the rake. That number seems high, but if true, it explains why everyone wants to operate an online poker room, with few expenses and no chance of losing to a lucky gambler.
Most of the activities cited occurred after the passage of the UIGEA. This is a subtle acknowledgment that operators who left the U.S. in 2006 have nothing to fear.
Even if there was a bribe, the feds are still going to have to prove that the poker was illegal. Since the Wire Act won’t work, prosecutors used 18 U.S.C. 1955, which makes it a federal felony if five or more people do more than $2,000 in business a day in violation of state gambling laws. The indictment relies on “New York Penal Law 225 and 225.05 and the laws of other states.” There is a “thank you” to the Washington State Gambling Commission, indicating that the DoJ is probably going to piggyback on that state’s 2006 law outlawing all Internet gambling, as well.
The Washington statute was upheld by the State Supreme Court. Still, there are problems. State laws are presumed not to reach beyond their borders. And even if Internet poker is illegal in that state, it is quite a leap to seize domain names for the entire country and threaten bank accounts in places like Panama.
The only state with a law better than Washington’s is Nevada. But basing this attack on Internet poker on Nevada law would look like it was motivated by the land based casinos. After all, who are the big winners here?
We will probably see the first attacks on the indictments from the two defendants who were arrested, the Utah banker and the Nevada payment processor who allegedly bribed him, when they fight extradition to New York. And the poker operators will undoubtedly fight to get their .com names back for the rest of the world.
The operators will never stand trial. The only U.S. extradition treaty I have found that covers illegal gambling is with Hong Kong. Calling it bank fraud won’t work, since the defendants can show their local courts that it is based on gambling. And it is fundamental to all extraditions that the activity be illegal in both countries. No nation will extradite an individual to be tried for the very activity that that nation licenses.
There may not even be a settlement. The DoJ accepted $405 million from PartyGaming and one of its founders and $100 million from Neteller and its founders. But those companies had already left the U.S. gaming markets. The DoJ will insist on a guilty plea to something, which might kill the operators’ chances of getting licensed when American laws change. And no amount of money will buy them the right to open up again without a change in the law. So what would these operators get from a settlement, other than not having to be worried about getting arrested changing planes?
It will be interesting to watch the fallout. There are a lot of famous American poker players and others who are associated with the indicted operators. They should be getting their affairs in order.
Meanwhile, like a raid by Elliot Ness on breweries and speakeasies during Prohibition, there are now wonderful opportunities for new operators to fill the vacuum. Unless, of course, Americans are actually going to stop playing poker on the Internet.
© Copyright 2011, I. Nelson Rose, Encino, California. All rights reserved worldwide. Gambling and the Law® is a registered trademark of Professor I. Nelson Rose, www.GAMBLINGANDTHELAW.com.
GAMBLING AND THE LAW®
Federal Poker Indictments: Revisiting Prohibition
The timing is suspicious.
March saw Nevada regulators approving a partnership between Caesars and 888, and Wynn announcing a joint venture with PokerStars. Now comes the indictments, three-billion-dollar civil suit and seizures of domain names by the feds. Wynn immediately cancelled his plans. Players were panicked.
Which was, of course, the goal.
If the allegations are true, the operators brought this on themselves, by lying and bribing bank officials. Of course, the prosecutors have the problem of convincing a jury that there is bank fraud when the "victims" are tricked into making millions of dollars.
And will this be the end of Internet poker? Did Prohibition end drinking?
Prohibition created modern organized crime, by outlawing alcoholic beverages. When people want something and it is illegal, organizations will arise to fill the demand. How much more so when the activity, online poker, is not even clearly illegal?
Every action by the U.S. federal government makes it more difficult for it to go after the next operator. The UIGEA, rammed through by the failed politician Bill Frist (R.-TN), can be seen as an anti-consumer-protection law, because it scared all of the publicly traded gaming companies out of the U.S. market. Then prosecutors went after payment processors, making it more difficult for players to find legitimate ways to send their money to betting sites.
Now the feds have seized .com domain names and charged operators with bank fraud. So, gaming sites are switching to .eu and .uk, and cutting off all physical contact with the U.S. Even the present American operators can’t be extradited, so what hope is there for the DoJ to bring future foreign operators here to stand trial?
The Grand Jury has been meeting for at least a year. The criminal indictment against PokerStars, Full Tilt, Absolute and their founders, was unsealed by the U.S. Attorney for New York on April 15, but bore a date-stamp of March 10. So why now?
Besides the Caesars-888 and Wynn-PokerStars agreements, the Nevada Assembly Judiciary Committee recently approved a bill to regulate online poker. And the District of Columbia actually made it legal.
The DoJ has been waging a war of intimidation against Internet gambling for years, successfully scaring players, operators, payment processors and affiliates into abandoning the American market. Lacking the two essentials to any prosecution – a statute that clearly makes the activity illegal and a defendant physically present in the U.S. – the feds have announced showy legal action against easy targets about every other year.
Online poker is not an easy target, since a federal Court of Appeal ruled the Wire Act is limited to bets on sports events. And tricking financial institutions into processing poker payments seems a technicality, especially since the banks made millions without paying a penny in fines.
But getting a bank to agree to process gambling transactions in return for a $10 million investment is an easier case, if true. I can understand approaching a small bank – so small that the officer and part-owner who allegedly arranged the deal, asked for, and received, only $20,000 for his “bonus.” But why would you do this in Utah, of all states?
There are lots of interesting nuggets in the legal papers. The DoJ claims that one-third of the billions of dollars players deposited went to the operators through the rake. That number seems high, but if true, it explains why everyone wants to operate an online poker room, with few expenses and no chance of losing to a lucky gambler.
Most of the activities cited occurred after the passage of the UIGEA. This is a subtle acknowledgment that operators who left the U.S. in 2006 have nothing to fear.
Even if there was a bribe, the feds are still going to have to prove that the poker was illegal. Since the Wire Act won’t work, prosecutors used 18 U.S.C. 1955, which makes it a federal felony if five or more people do more than $2,000 in business a day in violation of state gambling laws. The indictment relies on “New York Penal Law 225 and 225.05 and the laws of other states.” There is a “thank you” to the Washington State Gambling Commission, indicating that the DoJ is probably going to piggyback on that state’s 2006 law outlawing all Internet gambling, as well.
The Washington statute was upheld by the State Supreme Court. Still, there are problems. State laws are presumed not to reach beyond their borders. And even if Internet poker is illegal in that state, it is quite a leap to seize domain names for the entire country and threaten bank accounts in places like Panama.
The only state with a law better than Washington’s is Nevada. But basing this attack on Internet poker on Nevada law would look like it was motivated by the land based casinos. After all, who are the big winners here?
We will probably see the first attacks on the indictments from the two defendants who were arrested, the Utah banker and the Nevada payment processor who allegedly bribed him, when they fight extradition to New York. And the poker operators will undoubtedly fight to get their .com names back for the rest of the world.
The operators will never stand trial. The only U.S. extradition treaty I have found that covers illegal gambling is with Hong Kong. Calling it bank fraud won’t work, since the defendants can show their local courts that it is based on gambling. And it is fundamental to all extraditions that the activity be illegal in both countries. No nation will extradite an individual to be tried for the very activity that that nation licenses.
There may not even be a settlement. The DoJ accepted $405 million from PartyGaming and one of its founders and $100 million from Neteller and its founders. But those companies had already left the U.S. gaming markets. The DoJ will insist on a guilty plea to something, which might kill the operators’ chances of getting licensed when American laws change. And no amount of money will buy them the right to open up again without a change in the law. So what would these operators get from a settlement, other than not having to be worried about getting arrested changing planes?
It will be interesting to watch the fallout. There are a lot of famous American poker players and others who are associated with the indicted operators. They should be getting their affairs in order.
Meanwhile, like a raid by Elliot Ness on breweries and speakeasies during Prohibition, there are now wonderful opportunities for new operators to fill the vacuum. Unless, of course, Americans are actually going to stop playing poker on the Internet.
© Copyright 2011, I. Nelson Rose, Encino, California. All rights reserved worldwide. Gambling and the Law® is a registered trademark of Professor I. Nelson Rose, www.GAMBLINGANDTHELAW.com.
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April 19th, 2011 at 2:24:09 AM
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someone who knows what they are talking about.>>
Yeah, well. Its just more opinion from someone with few facts. He doesn't know whats happening any more than anybody else. Everybody is breathless over the 'timing', thinking the gov't is doing this to clear the way for regulated web gambling. When has the ham handed gov't ever been that brilliant? Since never, thats when..
Keep on a wishin'...
Yeah, well. Its just more opinion from someone with few facts. He doesn't know whats happening any more than anybody else. Everybody is breathless over the 'timing', thinking the gov't is doing this to clear the way for regulated web gambling. When has the ham handed gov't ever been that brilliant? Since never, thats when..
Keep on a wishin'...
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
April 19th, 2011 at 3:08:42 AM
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If seized sites and seized money wind up in their local budgets, its akin to the manner in which automobile seizures affected our drug enforcement laws and policies.
Washington State went to extremes to protect Indian gambling interests. What was that Bet-R-Us or something prediction market that was seized by the Washington State's attorney general after some sort of murky calls to Louisiana to get a bet made in that state.
There may indeed be powerful forces at work here but if so they will, as usual, operate very inefficiently.
There are several broad categories of gambling: Bricks and Clicks, Indian and Non-Indian, ... with various competition situations.
One need only look to the recent legislation to restrict Dotty to see how casinos will use zoning laws and liquor licensing laws to protect their turf. The Evil Empire wants to state out Cyberspace if anybody gets it. As with drug enforcement, the primary purpose of the law is to exclude competitors.
Will poker and other gambling in cyberspace be a regulated oligopoly at some point in time? Probably. That doesn't mean the turf will get split up between the bold adventurous entrepreneurs. The turf will get split up as determined by those with the lobbyists and lawyers and captive cash-roots groups.
Just look at Prohibition: Prior to the Volstead Act, there were 1673 distillers and brewers in the USA most of them not making all that much money because there were no barriers to entry. After the repeal of the Volstead Act there were eight, the industry was regulated, highly taxed but extremely profitable and there were extremely high barriers to entry. Don't think that there was some popular clamor for the Volstead Act to be passed. There was not. Not ever! Eighty percent of New York City markets had on-site demonstrators explaining the purchase of raisin cakes, the proper equipment to use and the admonition to NOT use a cork because that would cause it to ferment into alcohol. Immediately next to the demonstrators were displayed the various kettles ... and corks!
This was true of Chicago stores and stores in most cities and towns in the USA at the time. There was no public outcry about it. There were a great many buyers of kettles ... and corks!!
Washington State went to extremes to protect Indian gambling interests. What was that Bet-R-Us or something prediction market that was seized by the Washington State's attorney general after some sort of murky calls to Louisiana to get a bet made in that state.
There may indeed be powerful forces at work here but if so they will, as usual, operate very inefficiently.
There are several broad categories of gambling: Bricks and Clicks, Indian and Non-Indian, ... with various competition situations.
One need only look to the recent legislation to restrict Dotty to see how casinos will use zoning laws and liquor licensing laws to protect their turf. The Evil Empire wants to state out Cyberspace if anybody gets it. As with drug enforcement, the primary purpose of the law is to exclude competitors.
Will poker and other gambling in cyberspace be a regulated oligopoly at some point in time? Probably. That doesn't mean the turf will get split up between the bold adventurous entrepreneurs. The turf will get split up as determined by those with the lobbyists and lawyers and captive cash-roots groups.
Just look at Prohibition: Prior to the Volstead Act, there were 1673 distillers and brewers in the USA most of them not making all that much money because there were no barriers to entry. After the repeal of the Volstead Act there were eight, the industry was regulated, highly taxed but extremely profitable and there were extremely high barriers to entry. Don't think that there was some popular clamor for the Volstead Act to be passed. There was not. Not ever! Eighty percent of New York City markets had on-site demonstrators explaining the purchase of raisin cakes, the proper equipment to use and the admonition to NOT use a cork because that would cause it to ferment into alcohol. Immediately next to the demonstrators were displayed the various kettles ... and corks!
This was true of Chicago stores and stores in most cities and towns in the USA at the time. There was no public outcry about it. There were a great many buyers of kettles ... and corks!!
April 19th, 2011 at 3:30:38 AM
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Quote: FleaStiffAfter the repeal of the Volstead Act there were eight, the industry was regulated, highly taxed but extremely profitable and there were extremely high barriers to entry.
And when, not 'if', the gov't finally sets up internet gambling and they control it, expect a figurative knock on the door when they arrive to install the permanent cranial implant that will monitor every bet you make. Welcome, Big Brother.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."