Ron44
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August 24th, 2019 at 11:14:34 AM permalink
Does Bovada offer the same rules and the same odds for player and banker bets as Las Vegas Casinos. Also, I would greatly appreciate feedback from members regarding good or bad experiences with payouts, etc.
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August 24th, 2019 at 11:20:04 AM permalink
Bovada Review: Number One Online Casino In The US Ė 2019 UPDATE https://bitpokerstar.com/crypto-casinos/bovada-review

US tax authorities will be chasing bitcoin transactions now. There's nowhere to hide anymore.
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August 24th, 2019 at 11:57:45 AM permalink
Quote: ChumpChange

Bovada Review: Number One Online Casino In The US Ė 2019 UPDATE link removed
US tax authorities will be chasing bitcoin transactions now. There's nowhere to hide anymore.



it is impossible to chase bitcoin transactions, unless you use one of the main exchanges and have an account that forces you to link personal information (like coinbase), if you have an anonymous wallet, there is no way to trace it....
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August 24th, 2019 at 12:25:28 PM permalink
Quote: Gandler

it is impossible to chase bitcoin transactions, unless you use one of the main exchanges and have an account that forces you to link personal information (like coinbase), if you have an anonymous wallet, there is no way to trace it....

Not quite: As a customer of XYZ casino, I set up an account: They request my name and address and various proofs of ID. When I withdraw my winnings by bitcoin I generate and tell them the address to send it to. They now have a bitcoin address associated with me. At any time, they, or 'the authorities' can examine that and any other bitcoin wallet addresses and see money coming and going. Every transaction is logged, forever. If the casino have told the authorities of the link between that bitcoin address and me as a person, then I'm open to forensic investigation of at least some of my transactions. The whole BITCOIN ledger is wide open to very deep analysis. ...Once some organisation provides the connection to a real person ID. This applies even if you buy and use a hardware wallet such as a Trezor.
It's totally anonymous in it's own right until you say to the casino 'I'm Joe Bloggs, you can see from my account that I won $$$$. Please send my winnings to bitcoin address ...'

It's much less anonymous if you entrust an exchange like Coinbase with your bitcoins. They log everything anyway and have it all tied intractably to you as a person. It only takes for them to spill the beans to the tax authorities.
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August 24th, 2019 at 1:49:37 PM permalink
Quote: OnceDear

Not quite: As a customer of XYZ casino, I set up an account: They request my name and address and various proofs of ID. When I withdraw my winnings by bitcoin I generate and tell them the address to send it to. They now have a bitcoin address associated with me. At any time, they, or 'the authorities' can examine that and any other bitcoin wallet addresses and see money coming and going. Every transaction is logged, forever. If the casino have told the authorities of the link between that bitcoin address and me as a person, then I'm open to forensic investigation of at least some of my transactions. The whole BITCOIN ledger is wide open to very deep analysis. ...Once some organisation provides the connection to a real person ID. This applies even if you buy and use a hardware wallet such as a Trezor.
It's totally anonymous in it's own right until you say to the casino 'I'm Joe Bloggs, you can see from my account that I won $$$$. Please send my winnings to bitcoin address ...'

It's much less anonymous if you entrust an exchange like Coinbase with your bitcoins. They log everything anyway and have it all tied intractably to you as a person. It only takes for them to spill the beans to the tax authorities.



Your safest bet is declaring all wins and losses on your taxes.

If casinos don't allow ACH transfers it should be a red flag because that means they are not state sanctioned.
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August 24th, 2019 at 2:34:12 PM permalink
ChumpChange, This review is thorough and helpful. Have you ever used Bovada ? Thank you.
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August 24th, 2019 at 2:35:11 PM permalink
Quote: OnceDear

It only takes for them to spill the beans to the tax authorities.

... and for the tax authorities to be interested.
Quote: Gandler

Your safest bet is declaring all wins and losses on your taxes.

If required to by your country's tax authorities.
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August 24th, 2019 at 3:48:55 PM permalink
The complaint I have about Bovada
is, the live feed on bac hasn't worked
in weeks. I can see the live wheel on
roulette, but not on bac. At other
casinos that use the same feed,
it's not visible there either.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
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August 24th, 2019 at 8:55:05 PM permalink
Ron44, here's my honest take of Bovada. They're not perfect, but there's no better casino serving most of the U.S.
Presidential Election polls and odds: https://2605.me/p
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August 24th, 2019 at 11:12:40 PM permalink
Quote: MichaelBluejay

Ron44, here's my honest take of Bovada. They're not perfect, but there's no better casino serving most of the U.S.

on your site you say the following:

"Outright cheating (rigged games) is pretty rare,"

What evidence do you have to support that?
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♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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August 25th, 2019 at 12:19:43 AM permalink
Quote: MichaelBluejay

Ron44, here's my honest take of Bovada. They're not perfect, but there's no better casino serving most of the U.S.



You say you can play their games
for free with fake money. Not their
live games you can't. You can play
the exact same feed on other casinos
for free, but not Bovada.
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August 25th, 2019 at 3:57:58 AM permalink
Quote: Ron44

lso, I would greatly appreciate feedback from members regarding good or bad experiences with payouts, etc.



Our LCB review has over 600 player votes and almost 200 comments/reviews : https://lcb.org/casinos/bovada-casino#comments

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August 26th, 2019 at 11:43:15 AM permalink
I thought I saw a blackjack player who was banned from so many actual casinos, playing online from another country. Either he swears too much or wins too much, probably both. Playing online allows him to be away from pit bosses.

In other trends, people come to Vegas to play poker tournaments online.
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August 26th, 2019 at 1:20:00 PM permalink
Quote: ChumpChange

I thought I saw a blackjack player who was banned from so many actual casinos, playing online from another country. Either he swears too much or wins too much, probably both. Playing online allows him to be away from pit bosses.

In other trends, people come to Vegas to play poker tournaments online.

???
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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August 26th, 2019 at 1:22:31 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

???



If you have to be within the confines of Nevada to play with a legit IP, then why not Vegas? More hotel rooms than anybody.

Unless I'm misunderstanding the online poker laws.
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
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January 2nd, 2020 at 6:15:41 AM permalink
I was talking yesterday with a friend who opened up an account with Bovada a few months back and was complaining about one of their policies. He said that he wanted to withdraw his winnings but was informed that if he wanted to take it in currency, rather than bitcoins, there would be a $100 withdraw fee. This didn't sound right to me but I haven't done any on-line gambling with any of the sites so can't comment. Is this correct and if so is it typical?
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January 2nd, 2020 at 8:32:17 AM permalink
All you have to do is Google "Bovada withdrawal" and you get this:

https://www.bovada.lv/help/general/withdrawal-fees

There, it says that check withdrawals are free every 90 days. If you want a check more frequently than that, then there's a $100 fee each time. Otherwise, Bitcoin withdrawals are free.

The reason for this is that North American banks don't want to touch online gambling money because of the legal gray area, so it's hard for online casinos to get and keep bank accounts. Once a bank figures out that an account is related to online gambling, they shut it down. It's difficult and expensive for North American casinos (outside of the tiny handful of regulated states) to keep trying to open new bank accounts. I sell advertising on my site to Bovada, and years ago they stopped sending checks and wires and will pay me only by Bitcoin. I'm not thrilled about that, but I understand the position they're in, so I can't blame them.
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January 2nd, 2020 at 8:57:03 AM permalink
Quote: MichaelBluejay

All you have to do is Google "Bovada withdrawal" and you get this:

https://www.bovada.lv/help/general/withdrawal-fees

There, it says that check withdrawals are free every 90 days. If you want a check more frequently than that, then there's a $100 fee each time. Otherwise, Bitcoin withdrawals are free.

The reason for this is that North American banks don't want to touch online gambling money because of the legal gray area, so it's hard for online casinos to get and keep bank accounts. Once a bank figures out that an account is related to online gambling, they shut it down. It's difficult and expensive for North American casinos (outside of the tiny handful of regulated states) to keep trying to open new bank accounts. I sell advertising on my site to Bovada, and years ago they stopped sending checks and wires and will pay me only by Bitcoin. I'm not thrilled about that, but I understand the position they're in, so I can't blame them.



Thanks for the info. I'll pass it on to my friend. I can't access the Bovada site myself... I get a message "We currently don't offer services in your area" which prevents me from seeing anything including the Help page.
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January 2nd, 2020 at 9:34:55 AM permalink
Where exactly are you?
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January 2nd, 2020 at 10:10:08 AM permalink
New Jersey
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January 2nd, 2020 at 11:56:38 AM permalink
Yes, I suspected you were in one of the few states where online gambling has been explicitly legalized, at casinos which are licensed. *(Bovada won't seek licensing there because Bovada takes players from the rest of the U.S., and casinos can't get licensed if they do that.) I imagine the reason Bovada doesn't take players from the licensed states is to avoid those states targeting Bovada with legal action, which could wind up meaning that Bovada could no longer take players from the rest of the U.S.
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July 11th, 2020 at 12:19:25 PM permalink
The company Bovada gets it's live
dealer feed from has laid off it's
dealers because of the virus.
The live dealers are now computer
algo's that are NOT dealing down
from virtual decks. This is not legit
bac, why are they doing this. The
B/P stats so far stay neck and neck,
they are never more than 2 hands
apart. Right now it's 50 B and 50 P,
you never see stats that close in
a live game.
Last edited by: EvenBob on Jul 11, 2020
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July 11th, 2020 at 12:59:17 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

The company Bovada gets it's live
dealer feed from has laid off it's
dealers because of the virus.
The live dealers are now computer
algo's that are NOT dealing down
from virtual decks. This is not legit
bac, why are they doing this. The
B/P stats so far stay neck and neck,
they are never more than 2 hands
apart. Right now it's 50 B and 50 P,
you never see stats that close in
a live game after 100 hands.



You do realize your posts are complete unreadable, right?
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July 11th, 2020 at 2:21:03 PM permalink
Quote: sabre

You do realize your posts are complete unreadable, right?



English is the only language I know,
sorry.
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July 11th, 2020 at 4:21:02 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

English is the only language I know,
sorry.



I have no problem reading them. Paraphrasing Senator Sam, I have no problem with English. It's my mother tongue.
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July 11th, 2020 at 8:25:14 PM permalink
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I have no problem reading them. Paraphrasing Senator Sam, I have no problem with English. It's my mother tongue.



I understand what you are saying. Unfortunately random canít be defined and that including long strings of player and bankers Are equally possible and also they measure the house edge over all the players over all one in pretty sure so your individual session compared to someone who has a great session evens out or something lol
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July 12th, 2020 at 1:41:17 PM permalink
Quote: heatmap

I understand what you are saying. Unfortunately random canít be defined and that including long strings of player and bankers Are equally possible and also they measure the house edge over all the players over all one in pretty sure so your individual session compared to someone who has a great session evens out or something lol



Now THAT'S unreadable. Maybe English is not YOUR mother tongue.

The concepts of what constitutes a run-on sentence, punctuation, and capitalization. Were you absent those days?
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July 12th, 2020 at 3:46:45 PM permalink
Quote: racquet

Now THAT'S unreadable. Maybe English is not YOUR mother tongue.



LOL, I was going to say exactly
that. I read it and went, huh?
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July 12th, 2020 at 4:16:08 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

The company Bovada gets it's live
dealer feed from has laid off it's
dealers because of the virus.
The live dealers are now computer
algo's that are NOT dealing down
from virtual decks. This is not legit
bac, why are they doing this. The
B/P stats so far stay neck and neck,
they are never more than 2 hands
apart. Right now it's 50 B and 50 P,
you never see stats that close in
a live game.



If thatís true, you should be way way up raking in cash.
The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong; but that is the way to bet.
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July 12th, 2020 at 8:33:04 PM permalink
Quote: unJon

If thatís true, you should be way way up raking in cash.



The thing is all over the place
unreliable. People are staying
away in droves. Some hands
get no bets at all, and you
never see that.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
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July 13th, 2020 at 6:25:21 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

The thing is all over the place
unreliable. People are staying
away in droves. Some hands
get no bets at all, and you
never see that.



that sounds pretty random to me... but i will always believe someone when they say they think something funny is going on
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October 26th, 2020 at 9:27:58 AM permalink
I won some sports bets this weekend and I'm having trouble cashing out. I cant figure out a way to contact Bovada other than an email that may take 48 hours to respond. Is there any sort of customer chat support or a different route to take? Or do I need more patience?
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October 26th, 2020 at 10:30:09 AM permalink
I logged in, scrolled to the bottom and clicked Help Center, then Financial, then "Did you find what you were looking for?" > No, and then there's a Chat option.

The site says they had to discontinue phone support because of Covid.
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October 26th, 2020 at 11:22:10 AM permalink
Thanks Michael. When I tried the first time it was a bot and I guess I wasn't clicking the right prompts. I was more persistent this time and the bot got me to a live agent. (just fyi this may help someone.... I deposited using coinbase, but I needed to set up a blockchain account to withdraw funds. The bitcoin from Bovada goes to blockchain, then I can send to coinbase from blockchain.)
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October 26th, 2020 at 3:13:40 PM permalink
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I deposited using coinbase, but I needed to set up a blockchain account to withdraw funds. The bitcoin from Bovada goes to blockchain, then I can send to coinbase from blockchain.)

What do you mean you needed to set up a blockchain account? Surely you just tell Coinbase you want to receive some bitcoin: Coinbase gives you a receiving address to give to Bovada: Bovada sent your BTC to that address. Hey presto, the funds are in the BTC account section of your coinbase account. Keep them there or convert to fiat, or spend them as you see fit.

Not that the BTC ever need to go to coinbase, unless you want to sell or transact them through Coinbase's expensive platform.
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October 26th, 2020 at 3:42:44 PM permalink
I thought I could just send from bovada to coinbase as well. I send from americas card room right to coinbase. But for some reason I could not on bovada. Chat support said I needed to have a blockchain address for the bitcoin withdrawal. I don't understand the middle man usage, but as soon as I submitted a withdrawal with a blockchain address, the request was completed and approved in a couple of hours.
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October 27th, 2020 at 2:32:25 AM permalink
Quote: Beardgoat

I thought I could just send from bovada to coinbase as well. I send from americas card room right to coinbase. But for some reason I could not on bovada. Chat support said I needed to have a blockchain address for the bitcoin withdrawal. I don't understand the middle man usage, but as soon as I submitted a withdrawal with a blockchain address, the request was completed and approved in a couple of hours.

When you say blockchain address and blockchain account, what do you mean? I.e. how did you set up such a thing? Did you sign up or enroll with some organisation, or did you use some software? Blockchain isnt an organisation that you set up accounts with.
There are different BTC address types, beginning with 1 or 3. and not all services are compatible with both types, though that is rare. Was it that?
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October 27th, 2020 at 9:42:57 AM permalink
Blockchain is a crypto wallet, like coinbase. blockchain.com
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October 27th, 2020 at 1:46:38 PM permalink
There have been reports that if Coinbase, or any other exchange, recognizes that you are sending/receiving BTC to/from gambling sites, they will shut down your account with no appeals process. I do not completely understand this stuff, but apparently there are ways for them to figure out, after enough transactions, where the BTC is going to/coming from. The suggestion is to open a blockchain.com wallet and have the BTC flow through there as an intermediate site both ways. It is a little bit of a hassle, but does not add any expense, in my experience.
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August 20th, 2022 at 4:35:45 PM permalink
Hi: I wanted to start a new thread regarding Bovada and I can't figure out how to do it. So here I am responding to the most recent Bovada post I could find. Sorry for any inconvenience.
Anyway, can anyone tell me the best Blackjack game to play at Bovada in terms of Player edge?
Thank you.
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August 20th, 2022 at 4:37:32 PM permalink
If live dealer is the best, can someone tell me the best non live dealer Blackjack game at Bovada?
Thanks!
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August 21st, 2022 at 1:47:54 AM permalink
Quote: Greensky

Hi: I wanted to start a new thread regarding Bovada and I can't figure out how to do it. So here I am responding to the most recent Bovada post I could find. Sorry for any inconvenience.
Anyway, can anyone tell me the best Blackjack game to play at Bovada in terms of Player edge?
Thank you.
Steve
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Steve,
Welcome to the forum.
Please take the time to read the rules here.
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If you don't know how to use features, please ask me by personal message, rather than floundering around and messing the place up with inappropriate posts.
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I don't play bovada, but do they have an 'Atlantic City' RNG game, with surrender and dealer peek? If they do, that may have the lowest edge. Do the games there have help/info screens, which might tell you the RTP or house edge?
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August 21st, 2022 at 3:11:31 AM permalink
Quote: Greensky

If live dealer is the best, can someone tell me the best non live dealer Blackjack game at Bovada?
Thanks!
link to original post



I also do not play Bovada.
It looks like their 6 deck H17 shuffled every round RNG game has a house edge of 0.54%, if I used the calculators right and you play with the correct basic strategy.
Best vs not so best is beyond me, but it doesn't seem worst.

Good luck!
May the cards fall in your favor.
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