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July 5th, 2016 at 6:12:49 PM permalink
Received this email today. I didn't realize it was so many games. Aztek and sugar pop were 2 of my favorites. I have played a lot of those 2 through bovada and a few others over the years. It makes me very angry that I may have been getting screwed. In fact I hit a jackpot with Aztec through Kool cat casino many years ago and they refused the payout. I never didnget a single penny out of the progressive tha I won. I think that was more of an issue with the casino over the software.

Please note that we are performing a game library update today.
We'd like to apologize for any inconvenience this may cause as we recognize that a number of these games featured progressive jackpots that were very popular with our players. We are exploring options now to replace those jackpot games, please stay tuned for more details later this week.
Moving forward, the following games will no longer be available:

2 Million BC
A Night in Paris
After Night Falls
Arrival
At The Movies
Aztec Treasures
Back in Time
Barbary Coast
Black Gold
Boomanji
Common Draw Roulette
Dr Jekyll & Mr Hyde
Enchanted
Event Horizon
Fruit Zen
Genie's Fortune
Gladiator
Gold Diggers
Gypsy Rose
Heist
House of Fun
It Came From Venus
Lost
Lucky 7
Mad Scientist
Madder Scientist
Mamma Mia
More Gold Diggin'
Ned and his Friends
Once Upon A Time
Paco and the Popping Peppers
Pinocchio
Puppy Love Plus
RockStar
Rook's Revenge
Royal Reels
Safari Sam
Seventh Heaven
Skratcherz
SlotFather
SugarPop
Sushi Bar
The Curious Machine
The Exterminator
The True Sheriff
True Illusions
Under the Bed
Under the Sea
Viking Age
Virtual RaceBook
Weekend in Vegas
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Wizardofnothing
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July 5th, 2016 at 9:13:01 PM permalink
I'm assuming all star slots used those games too? I just signed up through the Wizards link 2 months ago- I think I'm about to dispute the charges
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tongni
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July 5th, 2016 at 10:28:23 PM permalink
I'll say this:

I've played a lot of one of the slots listed, at all different denominations. The RNG was very interesting..
AxelWolf
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July 6th, 2016 at 3:05:25 AM permalink
All Star Slots = Real Time Gaming software
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
coilman
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July 6th, 2016 at 6:37:37 AM permalink
SO what happens now to those JACKPOTS? thats players money not the casinos correct?
teddys
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July 6th, 2016 at 8:15:16 AM permalink
Quote: Wizardofnothing

I think I'm about to dispute the charges

I wouldn't recommend that if you ever want to gamble online again.
"Dice, verily, are armed with goads and driving-hooks, deceiving and tormenting, causing grievous woe." -Rig Veda 10.34.4
AxelWolf
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July 7th, 2016 at 3:40:03 AM permalink
Can someone explain how this works. Why would betsoft make rigged software unless its something the casinos themselves want?

Don't they just make and sell the games to the casinos? Or do they get a cut of the profits?

I ask again how would BV and Slots.lv and other casinos NOT KNOW they were holding a much higher percentage? Its not like BJ or VP where people can make mistakes.
Don't they get audited? What company audits them if any?

Last RNG certification was 2014????http://www.gamingassociates.com/CertSystem/Domain/ShowPayouts.aspx

I'm no document expert but it looks like this is the same exact one on bodogs and slots.lv with only the name of the casino chagned http://www.gamingassociates.com/CertSystem/Domain/ShowPayouts.aspx

http://www.gamingassociates.com/CertSystem/Domain/ShowPayouts.aspx.

Perhaps they are all owned by the same parent company but i would assume each casino would be tested separately? I also dont see any Cogra certification

here is some auditing for Slots.LV September 2015 ahttp://www.itechlabs.com.au/certificates/KGC/Lynton/Lynton_RTP_audit_certificate.pdf


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https://www.casinolistings.com/news/2016/06/warning-avoid-all-betsoft-slots-and-casino-games

February 2015.There is nothing stopping either a buggy or crooked game from ignoring the generated number and asking for a new one if it doesn't like the result, so for an audit to be effective it must test the simulated results of an actual game, not just the numbers generated by a RNG. On this point we found section P of the Quinel RNG report to be quite salient:

P) Additional information (RGR Part VI, 26.i) The RNG subject to testing (test item J14120011 - I001) was tested independently without any game connected; no integrations between RNG and games were tested.

2014 revocation of Betsoft's Alderney gambling license
Betsoft Gaming had its license suspended in July 2014 by the Alderney Gambling Control Commission (AGCC).

In October 2010, concerned poker players identified a flaw in several keno games provided by Betsoft to disgraced poker brand Absolute Poker.


Since I played a significant amount on BV betsoft games so im very interested and after re-reading reading the article I'm wondering why we are only now getting a warning?

I don't know how much extra the casinos made due to this but shouldn't they figure it out and compensate players who played betsoft games a percentage of their action they ave up while playing?

If players get caught breaking any of their terms and conditions they forfeit winnings and sometimes deposits.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
sammydv
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July 8th, 2016 at 7:33:41 AM permalink
Anyone know what happened to that danial guy that was part of this story and posted all over the place?
He was the guy that got 5 boats on middle payline and the casino/game company were trying to say it was because he didn't play max. Some interesting things went down, like the software company added new text to the screen AFTER the complaint and the machine clearly showed that the jackpot scaled with the play amount.
The player should bet the jackpot., he had screenshots showing his max play. If the casinos want to get really dirty, they can claim photoshopped digitals.
AxelWolf
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July 8th, 2016 at 12:49:45 PM permalink
Quote: sammydv

Anyone know what happened to that danial guy that was part of this story and posted all over the place?
He was the guy that got 5 boats on middle payline and the casino/game company were trying to say it was because he didn't play max. Some interesting things went down, like the software company added new text to the screen AFTER the complaint and the machine clearly showed that the jackpot scaled with the play amount.
The player should bet the jackpot., he had screenshots showing his max play. If the casinos want to get really dirty, they can claim photoshopped digitals.

I think they then said you cant win it during a bonus round or something like that.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
blackhole
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July 9th, 2016 at 5:48:08 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

"Lastly, we wish to make it clear that we do not believe that Bovada, , or any other casinos running these games, are responsible for these discrepancies."

Can you explain more why the casino and the betsoft would not both be reliable?

Isn't the casino profiting from this? Shouldn't the players who played at BV and Slots LV on betsofts games get a refund from BV and SlotsLV, and then BV can go after Betsoft?

Can someone explain how it is that Bovada and Slots LV didn't notice the games were holding a higher percentage than they should have been?

I think its the casinos responsibility to make sure the software they are using is fair to it's players.

They should pay the players all their losses on them games and then sue betsoft.




After having the occasion to speak with you in more detail (on that other forum) I actually respect your opinion. (Not that it really matters since I am nothing more than an opinionated nobody.)

After the UIGEA was passed in 2006 many things developed and were exposed and still to the present day about online gaming. I know gambling online is not illegal, but for USA players whoever and whatever means are being used to transfer funds back and forth to online gaming sites are illegal. Banking institutions that are transferring and receiving money to and from online casinos from the USA are doing so because the destinations are being camouflaged which obviously speaks volumes about honesty right out of the gate before even making your first online bet. Of course not in the couple of states (I think 3) in the USA where it is legal.

Iím shocked after witnessing the big poker sites scandals, the endless winners never paid not even eventually in the USA, , money being confiscated by the USA - DOJ , and still to this day numerous confirmed rigged software programs being exposed and even used by the giants in the industry, (regardless how the rigged software got there) how any AP specialist would even consider risking AP money online after all of this.

Are you a real legitimate AP or just a gambling fool willing to take any gamble regardless of the risks? Even if you won money in the past online and actually got paid, when considering all the different shady things that would need to go just right to complete the AP maneuver online from beginning to end, how could any AP today consider this type of unnecessary additional risks when compared to land casinos? How do you factor all this into your AP theory and come to the conclusion that itís still a good play? Iím not talking about the early 2000ís, Iím talking about todayís (2016) confirmed online environment and what has developed after the UIGEA in 2006.

Most gamblers playing online today are just gamblers needing the gamble fix and will never stop playing till they are broke anyway. These are the people promoters feed off of. But AP's are suppose to be educated gamblers? Please explain why an AP from the USA would play online today? (and not from the three legal states)

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