Paigowdan
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February 7th, 2011 at 2:25:04 PM permalink
An obvious solution is to use commission-free Pai Gow Poker, putting in an absolutely shameless plug for EZ Pai Gow. The game is 100% commission-free 100% of the time.

The dealer pushes hands when he gets a Queen-high Pai Gow, and only a Queen-high Pai Gow, which occurs once in every 58 hands. It provides for a 1.5% increase (not 1.7%, because a few hands would have pushed anyway from also having no top).
This matches the 1.5% house edge generated by the commission-based version of the game, at the 30% player win rate times the 5% commission.

edit: see http://www.deq.com/section/products/pdf/EZ_PAI_GOW.pdf
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February 8th, 2011 at 10:26:03 AM permalink
Quote: OahuPlayer

Becky,
Needless to say I will not be playing baccarat until this is fixed, and it had better not be 10 months from now.



The only relevant question is, which of the following is true:

1. The program that takes too much commission was written by a computer nerd who had never actually played the game in question, and for that matter, hasn't been let out of the basement he works in for three years.
2. They deliberately programmed in this "issue" to increase revenue, and hoped nobody would notice (and anybody who DOES notice and complains is fobbed off, obfuscated, meaninglessly soothed, etc.).
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Nareed
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February 8th, 2011 at 10:27:41 AM permalink
If it were me with the problem, I'd be offering a refund on excess comissions to all players so affected. If I were a player so affected, I'd be demanding a refund.
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rdw4potus
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February 8th, 2011 at 10:57:11 AM permalink
I'm really not sure it's excess commission that has been collected. It's very common for land-based casinos to round to the nearest liquid dollar amount. They frequently short-change the odds in craps, or collect 10% ($0.50) on a $5 winner in PGP or bacc.

Bodog is in the business of emulating a land-based casino in an online setting. To me, the problem is more that they allow bets in $1 increments than it is that they round the commission up to the nearest $0.25 - the rounding would happen exactly the same in a land-based casino that allowed $1 bet increments. I don't see why Bodog should make less than they otherwise could just because they offer their games online.
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Paigowdan
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February 8th, 2011 at 1:29:46 PM permalink
Quote: rdw4potus

I don't see why Bodog should make less than they otherwise could just because they offer their games online.



True. Like everyone else, they have a right to charge "what the maket will bear." A business operation does not apologize for turning a profit.
If they price themselves out via commissions, they will lose the market or adapt.
But...I can see the point that with no dealer/supervision and brick and mortar expenses, it looks usurious.
Also, with using a no-commission system, the house edge and player disadvantage remains constant regardless of any bet's amount.
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Nareed
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February 8th, 2011 at 1:39:37 PM permalink
Quote: rdw4potus

Bodog is in the business of emulating a land-based casino in an online setting. To me, the problem is more that they allow bets in $1 increments than it is that they round the commission up to the nearest $0.25 - the rounding would happen exactly the same in a land-based casino that allowed $1 bet increments. I don't see why Bodog should make less than they otherwise could just because they offer their games online.



If that is theri policy and it's clearly announced and stated beyond a doubt, then fine. But when they admit publically they erred and have spent months trying to correct the problem, they've said they charged an excess.

Besides, in an electronic game, and one with electronic payments via trasnfers and deposits, the bets can be paid to the penny. Drawing penny, nickel, dime and quarter chips shouldn't be too hard.
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February 8th, 2011 at 3:17:48 PM permalink
Quote: rdw4potus

I don't see why Bodog should make less than they otherwise could just because they offer their games online.

That line of thinking no longer applies.

BoDog already admitted that it needs to be fixed. The problem is that they are dragging their feet to get it done.
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February 12th, 2011 at 10:51:04 PM permalink
Yes, as soon as I saw this thread I knew there was a technical problem with Bodog's Pai Gow Poker.
Commission is usually %5 on this game.
Depending on where you go of course. :) Some online casinos have reversed commission Pai Gow.

Bodog being the good casino that they are will fix this problem I am sure.

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