Feb 16 Show with Dollie Wong
February 20th, 2012 at 11:39:15 PM
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I give $1, even if it is just water. I will often try to get a better value by ordering a water and a cranberry juice at the same time, which the server normally has on their tray already. If a cranberry is not available on the tray I'll just get 2 waters as I don't think it's fair to send the server all the way to the bar for something that I don't need to have. I don't like to drink alcohol while gambling, but if I were to get a free beer I would likely give 2 dollars.
One time in the early morning I saw a man drinking a mixed orange juice and cranberry juice with a cherry in it, and asked the server for one of those. As this required extra effort I was happy to tip a pink chip (2.50). The next morning I ordered the same drink and the same server "forgot" about the order. When she came through again about half an hour later I reminded her about the order, and she was very apologetic (even if it was fake), and came back very quickly with two of them for me. Even though she blew me off the first time I happily gave her another pink as she made up for her lapse and was very friendly. She was very attractive too.
I have been warned by multiple dealers at this casino not to tip until you get your drink as many of the servers seem to forget about orders, especially if they are soft drinks. They say that the servers will take your tip and never come back, which surprised me as I wouldn't expect dealers to bash their co-workers in this way. I'm not sure if I totally agree with the dealers as I would think that the server would provide better service to someone who has given them money as opposed to someone whose tip is still up in the air.
One time in the early morning I saw a man drinking a mixed orange juice and cranberry juice with a cherry in it, and asked the server for one of those. As this required extra effort I was happy to tip a pink chip (2.50). The next morning I ordered the same drink and the same server "forgot" about the order. When she came through again about half an hour later I reminded her about the order, and she was very apologetic (even if it was fake), and came back very quickly with two of them for me. Even though she blew me off the first time I happily gave her another pink as she made up for her lapse and was very friendly. She was very attractive too.
I have been warned by multiple dealers at this casino not to tip until you get your drink as many of the servers seem to forget about orders, especially if they are soft drinks. They say that the servers will take your tip and never come back, which surprised me as I wouldn't expect dealers to bash their co-workers in this way. I'm not sure if I totally agree with the dealers as I would think that the server would provide better service to someone who has given them money as opposed to someone whose tip is still up in the air.
February 20th, 2012 at 11:45:08 PM
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A study from a Cornell University professor concluded that "consumers' assessments
Of the quality of service correlate weakly to the amount they tip,
relying more on superficial factors such as the attractiveness of the server or the amount of the bill...
In Australian casinos, the dealers are not allowed to receive tips.
The minimum wage in Australia is about twice what it is here....
Of the quality of service correlate weakly to the amount they tip,
relying more on superficial factors such as the attractiveness of the server or the amount of the bill...
In Australian casinos, the dealers are not allowed to receive tips.
The minimum wage in Australia is about twice what it is here....
In a bet, there is a fool and a thief.
- Proverb.
February 21st, 2012 at 1:46:09 PM
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Okay we got it. Tip a dollar per space on the tray and they won't scowl or spit in your drink. A $100 bettor should tip a minimum of $5 even for a cup of coffee. The waitresses are not supposed to serve non players, but they'll break that rule for $5. That was really enlightening.
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February 21st, 2012 at 1:48:05 PM
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Damn, now you spoiled it for me. No need the turn the speakers on.
February 21st, 2012 at 1:51:06 PM
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It didn't take me 20 minutes either!
Many people, especially ignorant people, want to punish you for speaking the truth. - Mahatma Ghandi
February 21st, 2012 at 2:04:28 PM
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Do you really think cocktail waitresses need to earn more than teachers, firemen, police officers?
Do you really feel that you should tip them a dollar a drink because they think that is customary and fair?
Do you really think a black chip player should have to tip $5 a drink?
I will say it again, the over inflated sense of entitlement predominant is American society is alarming.
There are very few places in the world where tipping is as prevalent or as unappreciated.
Do you really feel that you should tip them a dollar a drink because they think that is customary and fair?
Do you really think a black chip player should have to tip $5 a drink?
I will say it again, the over inflated sense of entitlement predominant is American society is alarming.
There are very few places in the world where tipping is as prevalent or as unappreciated.
In a bet, there is a fool and a thief.
- Proverb.
February 21st, 2012 at 2:09:08 PM
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Quote: WongBoDo you really think cocktail waitresses need to earn more than teachers, firemen, police officers?
Do you really feel that you should tip them a dollar a drink because they think that is customary and fair?
Do you really think a black chip player should have to tip $5 a drink?
I will say it again, the over inflated sense of entitlement predominant is American society is alarming.
There are very few places in the world where tipping is as prevalent or as unappreciated.
No, no and no. It ain't rocket surgery!
Many people, especially ignorant people, want to punish you for speaking the truth. - Mahatma Ghandi
February 21st, 2012 at 2:28:12 PM
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Quote: kenarmanThat $100K is the number that used to be thrown around 25 years ago for the waitresses at Caesars when it was the class of the strip. The story was also that the doorman was making $250K from cab tips.
I can believe the doorman number, at least at the busiest high-end casinos on the strip. On any busy night there will be a cab line for hours with most people giving the doorman at least a dollar for the service of calling up the next cab and opening the door. They are calling 2-3 cabs/minute easy. I am sure the doormen have to jockey for that duty by sharing a percentage of tips with the head bellman or whoever schedules them. Even so, they could make a very comfortable living. $1/cab x 120 cabs/hour x 2000 hours working per year = $240,000. At a higher end casino the average is likely more than $1. There are a lot of stiffs but also plenty of guys throwing around $20s and even $100s.
February 21st, 2012 at 2:30:29 PM
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Quote: WongBoThere are very few places in the world where tipping is as prevalent or as unappreciated.
In general I don't necessarily disagree with you, but this last part is comparing apples to oranges. Service employees in America get paid less than minimum wage and depend on tips to make up the difference, so of course a certain amount is expected. In places where tipping is NOT expected, like most of Europe, the employees get paid a generally better wage by their employer, and hence aren't depending on tips.
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February 21st, 2012 at 2:34:38 PM
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To those who think that waitresses don't deserve to make that money, would you do it for the same?
I always tip $1, even on water, and sometimes give a little more. At most places a red chip for 2 drinks and 2 waters will guarantee me frequent and friendly service for the rest of my time in that spot. That sounds like a deal to me, especially when I compare it to the prices of other things I pay for in Vegas. Especially at places like the Wynn, where they seem to have very high standards for "entertainment value" of the waitresses, some guys would pay $1 each time they walked by even if no drinks were involved.
I always tip $1, even on water, and sometimes give a little more. At most places a red chip for 2 drinks and 2 waters will guarantee me frequent and friendly service for the rest of my time in that spot. That sounds like a deal to me, especially when I compare it to the prices of other things I pay for in Vegas. Especially at places like the Wynn, where they seem to have very high standards for "entertainment value" of the waitresses, some guys would pay $1 each time they walked by even if no drinks were involved.
February 21st, 2012 at 3:02:08 PM
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Quote: jml24To those who think that waitresses don't deserve to make that money, would you do it for the same?
Very bad argument.
I think that people involved in [insert illegal activity of choice] don't deserve to make what they make, but wouldn't do it for the same.
Nonetheless it might make sense to compare earnings to those in similar jobs in other industries.
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February 21st, 2012 at 3:16:20 PM
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Quote: WongBoI will say it again, the over inflated sense of entitlement predominant is American society is alarming.
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Whats alarming is how incredibly cheap some people are. Yeah,
lets compare the US to EU, where they're rioting in the streets
because their hundreds of entitlements are in danger.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
February 21st, 2012 at 3:31:17 PM
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Quote: buzzpaffJust watched the video, all 19 minutes and 42 seconds. Later today I will watch it again and turned my speakers on. LOL
There is also a part 2, although I think it overlaps part 1.
Quote: kenarmanI can believe the doorman number, at least at the busiest high-end casinos on the strip. On any busy night there will be a cab line for hours with most people giving the doorman at least a dollar for the service of calling up the next cab and opening the door.
Personally, I only tip the doorman if he helped me with luggage or went beyond his job of opening the taxi door and telling the driver what I could have told him myself. Somebody tell me if I'm being rude.
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February 21st, 2012 at 3:39:45 PM
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Not to me. Opening a door is not a service I need. I will occasionally tip the doorman if he's running a taxi line on a crazy time and keeping everything together. Often I won't as I am sure the taxi line would run smoother if we didn't have him in the way.
"Then you can admire the real gambler, who has neither eaten, slept, thought nor lived, he has so smarted under the scourge of his martingale, so suffered on the rack of his desire for a coup at trente-et-quarante" - Honore de Balzac, 1829
February 22nd, 2012 at 12:10:46 AM
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Quote: EvenBobWhats alarming is how incredibly cheap some people are. Yeah,
lets compare the US to EU, where they're rioting in the streets
because their hundreds of entitlements are in danger.
Better yet let's compare the US to Australia
where the people who earn minimum wage are able to live relative comfortably.
The casino personnel are forbidden to take tips,
The service people don't have a hand out for doing their jobs,
And a nasty attitude if you don't give them what they feel you should.
In a bet, there is a fool and a thief.
- Proverb.
February 22nd, 2012 at 12:24:27 AM
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Quote: WongBo
The service people don't have a hand out for doing their jobs,
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A tip isn't a hand out, who told you that. You're buying service
when you tip, where do you think the custom came from. It
also helps businesses like restaurants keep their costs down,
which reflects itself in better prices.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
February 22nd, 2012 at 12:36:01 AM
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I am specifically talking about tipping in the casinos.
They can afford to pay their people more than they do.
There is no reflection in better prices in a casino.
They aren't introducing new sucker bets and carnival games every month
To pay their service staffs.
I do not feel that the waitress bringing me a drink warrants a $1 tip per drink.
I still tip, $1 for two drinks. I do not drink alcohol and also tip less because the value of the drink is lower.
Service people want to be tipped by percentage of the bill when it is to their advantage,
I am essentially doing so.
I find the opinion that a wealthier player should feel obliged to tip more ridiculous.
Frankly, I would prefer to get my own soft drinks from a self service area.
I'm not going to be soaked $20 for tips every time I go to a casino.
They can afford to pay their people more than they do.
There is no reflection in better prices in a casino.
They aren't introducing new sucker bets and carnival games every month
To pay their service staffs.
I do not feel that the waitress bringing me a drink warrants a $1 tip per drink.
I still tip, $1 for two drinks. I do not drink alcohol and also tip less because the value of the drink is lower.
Service people want to be tipped by percentage of the bill when it is to their advantage,
I am essentially doing so.
I find the opinion that a wealthier player should feel obliged to tip more ridiculous.
Frankly, I would prefer to get my own soft drinks from a self service area.
I'm not going to be soaked $20 for tips every time I go to a casino.
In a bet, there is a fool and a thief.
- Proverb.
February 22nd, 2012 at 12:39:48 AM
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Whats funny is, Australians
have the rep of being the worst tourists in the world because
they refuse to tip even when the custom calls for it. Bottom
line is, they're cheapskates. Not tipping a service person isn't
something to be proud of, its disgraceful.
have the rep of being the worst tourists in the world because
they refuse to tip even when the custom calls for it. Bottom
line is, they're cheapskates. Not tipping a service person isn't
something to be proud of, its disgraceful.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
February 22nd, 2012 at 12:46:25 AM
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It doesn't really rise to the level of disgraceful,
Given the customs of most places in the world.
I agree with tipping service people,
But I realize that it is a much stronger custom in the US than elsewhere.
I dont mind tipping per se,
It is the outrageous sense of entitlement I find distasteful.
Do you really think she was joking about spitting in the drinks?
I'm sorry but I think it's totally inappropriate to joke about that.
I have zero respect for her.
Given the customs of most places in the world.
I agree with tipping service people,
But I realize that it is a much stronger custom in the US than elsewhere.
I dont mind tipping per se,
It is the outrageous sense of entitlement I find distasteful.
Do you really think she was joking about spitting in the drinks?
I'm sorry but I think it's totally inappropriate to joke about that.
I have zero respect for her.
In a bet, there is a fool and a thief.
- Proverb.
February 22nd, 2012 at 12:54:01 AM
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Quote: WongBo
It is the outrageous sense of entitlement I find distasteful.
Its NOT an entitlement. You're BUYING something,
why can't you understand that? You tip a waitress
and she's coming back sooner next time and she'll
be back to get your drink order faster. The job also
attracts lovely young women because of the good
money. Otherwise you'd be getting drinks from middle
aged women who look like your mother or your wife,
and who needs that.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
February 22nd, 2012 at 1:01:12 AM
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I am not saying the tip is the entitlement.
I am referring specifically to the mercenary, predatory attitude exhibited in her video,
And the belief that they deserve to be earning more than teachers, firemen, police etc.
I have not seen evidence that the service changes with the tip level,
With the exception of the high limit rooms.
Frankly, I couldn't care less what the server looks like.
I'm not in Vegas, so the servers are Not on the stripper level of attractive anyway.
I am referring specifically to the mercenary, predatory attitude exhibited in her video,
And the belief that they deserve to be earning more than teachers, firemen, police etc.
I have not seen evidence that the service changes with the tip level,
With the exception of the high limit rooms.
Frankly, I couldn't care less what the server looks like.
I'm not in Vegas, so the servers are Not on the stripper level of attractive anyway.
In a bet, there is a fool and a thief.
- Proverb.
February 22nd, 2012 at 1:11:13 AM
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Quote: WongBo
I have not seen evidence that the service changes with the tip level,
.
I owned a bar for 3 1/2 years. I worked the day shift
6 days a week. When somebody tipped me, they got
better service. If they were a regular tipper, maybe they
got a little extra booze in their glass. The got tolerated
a little better if they had one too many. Its the grease
that keeps the wheels turning.
Frank Sinatra was the biggest tipper of all time among
show biz people. He would give the valet driver at the
casino a $100 bill for parking his Caddy, and the driver
who brought it to him got another $100. He said he learned
the art of tipping from the mob guys he knew growing up
in NJ. It buys you service and it buys you respect.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
February 22nd, 2012 at 1:14:03 AM
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You owned the bar, it isn't really the same thing.
If someone is a celebrity, they get branded as cheap if they don't throw the money around.
Also, I am not arguing against tipping!
I am arguing against greed.
If someone is a celebrity, they get branded as cheap if they don't throw the money around.
Also, I am not arguing against tipping!
I am arguing against greed.
In a bet, there is a fool and a thief.
- Proverb.
February 22nd, 2012 at 1:21:42 AM
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Quote: WongBoYou owned the bar, it isn't really the same thing.
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Of course its the same thing. People who tip
think they're buying something. And they are.
I felt obligation when I was tipped, and appreciation.
Greed isn't involved. I'm sorry, but you're coming
off as the typical tightwad. Is that your intention?
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
February 22nd, 2012 at 1:31:31 AM
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I don't get the sense of obligation and appreciation from the video.
I get a sense of selfishness and entitlement.
It's just my opinion of her video.
She seems very predatory and the jokes about spitting in the drinks are reprehensible.
Regardless of what people think of me for tipping at $0.50 for soft drinks,
I will continue to do so.
Call me a tightwad if you want, better to be tight than broke.
I get a sense of selfishness and entitlement.
It's just my opinion of her video.
She seems very predatory and the jokes about spitting in the drinks are reprehensible.
Regardless of what people think of me for tipping at $0.50 for soft drinks,
I will continue to do so.
Call me a tightwad if you want, better to be tight than broke.
In a bet, there is a fool and a thief.
- Proverb.
February 22nd, 2012 at 1:35:53 AM
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Quote: WongBo
Call me a tightwad if you want, better to be tight than broke.
Talk to somebody long enough and the truth
comes out. You feel, as all tightwads do, that
you barely have enough money for yourself,
why should you give any to a service person.
Never mind.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
February 22nd, 2012 at 1:52:47 AM
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I give them money.
I've told you that about five times.
Just because someone is economical or on a fixed income does not make them a tightwad.
If you think that because you tip more it makes you a better person,
Than I am sure that is very reassuring to you.
If you feel you have to call me names to make yourself feel superior, you go right ahead.
If you think the attitudes expressed by cocktail doll are normal and acceptable,
I wonder how you would feel if they were coming from an unattractive woman or a man.
I give them money.
I've told you that about five times.
Just because someone is economical or on a fixed income does not make them a tightwad.
If you think that because you tip more it makes you a better person,
Than I am sure that is very reassuring to you.
If you feel you have to call me names to make yourself feel superior, you go right ahead.
If you think the attitudes expressed by cocktail doll are normal and acceptable,
I wonder how you would feel if they were coming from an unattractive woman or a man.
In a bet, there is a fool and a thief.
- Proverb.
February 22nd, 2012 at 1:52:52 AM
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Don't order a drink unless you have the buck for a drink. Don't play unless you can spare a few dollar bets for the dealer. What is kind of funny is I can clear a table if I want to, im sure it is just coincidence, but if the players are upsetting me the cards seem to go in a way that makes them run.
February 22nd, 2012 at 2:03:06 AM
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Again with tips for the dealers?
If they earn it by being friendly or helpful, sure I throw them a toke.
I don't tip them because they work in a low paying job.
I'm not running a charity.
If they earn it by being friendly or helpful, sure I throw them a toke.
I don't tip them because they work in a low paying job.
I'm not running a charity.
In a bet, there is a fool and a thief.
- Proverb.
February 22nd, 2012 at 2:07:23 AM
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Well if they are unfriendly I suggest not tipping them and complaining to the shift manager because they are doing a disservice to the other dealers. My comment was a general one about the casino services. The point is the casino business is a tip based one and customers should act accordingly. I would prefer to get a better wage so the customers do not have to tip, but it is the way it is.
February 22nd, 2012 at 4:06:56 AM
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Quote: WongBoI am referring specifically to the mercenary, predatory attitude exhibited in her video,
And the belief that they deserve to be earning more than teachers, firemen, police etc.
What exactly do you expect to hear in a public video made by a cocktail waitress?
It's like asking a self-employed person you're about to hire how much he thinks people in his profession should be paid. He's not going to lowball himself.
Quote: EvenBobOtherwise you'd be getting drinks from middle aged women who look like your mother or your wife, and who needs that.
Maybe it's just the lighting, but the Jersey girl in the video didn't look all that hot. So no, I don't mind getting my drinks from someone without eye-candy appeal.
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February 22nd, 2012 at 8:25:42 AM
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Part 2 of the show picks up where part 1 leaves off with the foul mouthed Ms Wong and her sidekick, the self proclaimed Cocktail Princess, telling us of their disdain for the customers who pay their wages. It's 18 more minutes of the same pablum. You never hear them asking what they can do to make the customers' experience more enjoyable or expressing any kind of concern for them.
Many people, especially ignorant people, want to punish you for speaking the truth. - Mahatma Ghandi
February 22nd, 2012 at 9:21:21 AM
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I went to Sky Ute Casino in Colorado last week. NEVER again. Will skip the worst parts and concentrate on tipping, which most of the players there, Indian and non, did not do. The drinks when I arrived after 10 pm were served but a short, stocky middle aged Indian
man ( Think Dan Devito in lifts ). He was pushing a two level waist high cart. The top shelf had short 8oz glass tumblers with ice and soda. The bottom shelf had empty glasses and pitchers of ice water. His eyes lit up at my $1 tip for diet cokes for me and my wife.
He would come immediately to our area of the casino upon each refill from the bar. There are no self service areas. At least being served first our drink were not as watered down as those players later on his travels.
The next morning I was playing blackjack and was asked if I wanted a drink. I ordered two diet cokes with maraschino cherries. The
Indian woman informed me they do not stock maraschino cherries. The drinks arrived and I tipped a dollar , which I saw was appreciated. Not her fault the casino is so cheap. How cheap? the drinks arrived in a small Styrofoam cup like you get your coffee in at a gas station.
NoW try and figure out how they can screw up a DD pitch game, dealer stands on all 17's, split all but A up to 3 times, and DAS ?
Give you a hint. Colorado is $100 max bet and I was playing at a $3 minimum table !
man ( Think Dan Devito in lifts ). He was pushing a two level waist high cart. The top shelf had short 8oz glass tumblers with ice and soda. The bottom shelf had empty glasses and pitchers of ice water. His eyes lit up at my $1 tip for diet cokes for me and my wife.
He would come immediately to our area of the casino upon each refill from the bar. There are no self service areas. At least being served first our drink were not as watered down as those players later on his travels.
The next morning I was playing blackjack and was asked if I wanted a drink. I ordered two diet cokes with maraschino cherries. The
Indian woman informed me they do not stock maraschino cherries. The drinks arrived and I tipped a dollar , which I saw was appreciated. Not her fault the casino is so cheap. How cheap? the drinks arrived in a small Styrofoam cup like you get your coffee in at a gas station.
NoW try and figure out how they can screw up a DD pitch game, dealer stands on all 17's, split all but A up to 3 times, and DAS ?
Give you a hint. Colorado is $100 max bet and I was playing at a $3 minimum table !
February 22nd, 2012 at 9:57:10 AM
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What casino does Dolly work at ? I want to tip her 25 cents and then say, " Now, don't forget about me. "
February 22nd, 2012 at 10:18:47 AM
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Quote: NicksGamingStuffWell if they are unfriendly I suggest not tipping them and complaining to the shift manager because they are doing a disservice to the other dealers. My comment was a general one about the casino services. The point is the casino business is a tip based one and customers should act accordingly. I would prefer to get a better wage so the customers do not have to tip, but it is the way it is.
I agree with Nick here. If you have ever been to a casino you are aware there is a certain level of tipping that is expected and that is part of the pay of the staff. You are within your rights to tip less / none but should not be surprised if you are perceived as a cheapskate. In a casino it seems more egregious because you are participating in a form of entertainment where you are risking amounts of money that are large in comparison to the tip, so you can clearly afford it. If a $1 tip for a drink that would cost you between $1 - $15 in a bar is really biting into your budget you have no business being in a casino in the first place.
I think maybe some people didn't get the humor in Dollie's video.
February 22nd, 2012 at 10:28:35 AM
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I don't mind tipping, even tipping a lot, when I do receive better service as a result of it. While that's good in theory, the fact that remains is that sometimes cocktail waitresses in casinos do not treat you better, or give better service, as a result of tipping.
For example, I'm always impressed when a waitress remembers my drink. "Want another Sprite, hon?" Yes, yes I do. And here's a tip. I don't care how they do it. I don't care what tricks or techniques they use. But me not having to state my drink order every time the waitress comes around, is, in my opinion, better quality service.
When I order a drink from a cocktail waitress, and she comes back around later and says, "Who had the Sprite?", I'm not impressed.
I normally like to tip at the time I place my order. It's simpler for me. But when the waitress comes back and doesn't remember who I am or what I ordered, it makes me realize that my tip wasn't really acknowledged or appreciated by the waitress in the first place.
For example, I'm always impressed when a waitress remembers my drink. "Want another Sprite, hon?" Yes, yes I do. And here's a tip. I don't care how they do it. I don't care what tricks or techniques they use. But me not having to state my drink order every time the waitress comes around, is, in my opinion, better quality service.
When I order a drink from a cocktail waitress, and she comes back around later and says, "Who had the Sprite?", I'm not impressed.
I normally like to tip at the time I place my order. It's simpler for me. But when the waitress comes back and doesn't remember who I am or what I ordered, it makes me realize that my tip wasn't really acknowledged or appreciated by the waitress in the first place.
February 22nd, 2012 at 10:31:47 AM
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The indifference to service and courtesy Is what led me to drop my tipping from a dollar per drink to a dollar for two.
No apologies, no regrets.
No apologies, no regrets.
In a bet, there is a fool and a thief.
- Proverb.
February 22nd, 2012 at 10:35:18 AM
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I always tip extra at places where the workers do not get toked well. For example, I always tip $2 at El Cortez per drink. They get stiffed more so than other places and the extra dollar does seem to make a noticeable difference to the drink girl. I always tip at least $10 to the dealers even if I only win $30. A guy hit a royal flush on Pai Gow Poker won $600something and only gave $5. I was upset by his cheapness and considered scolding him. When the dealer got tapped out I could tell she was upset.
February 22nd, 2012 at 10:38:18 AM
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The casinos love to see players throw them more house edge in the form of tips to compensate for their unwillingness to pay fare wages.
In a bet, there is a fool and a thief.
- Proverb.
February 22nd, 2012 at 10:45:43 AM
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Quote: NicksGamingStuffI always tip extra at places where the workers do not get toked well. For example, I always tip $2 at El Cortez per drink. They get stiffed more so than other places and the extra dollar does seem to make a noticeable difference to the drink girl. I always tip at least $10 to the dealers even if I only win $30. A guy hit a royal flush on Pai Gow Poker won $600something and only gave $5. I was upset by his cheapness and considered scolding him. When the dealer got tapped out I could tell she was upset.
Hmmm. As long as I'm tipping the dealer regularly, they aren't entitled to my good fortune if I hit big. Giving up 1% of a big win seems reasonable to me, what should I be handing over?
I've heard it from poker dealers as well, getting miffed when I don't tip from a big pot. The fact I tip every down, regardless of how I do. I've had scolding from other players about it as well. Which I ignore. The dealer's job is to be effective, efficient and good, and hopefully interesting to talk to if they are that sort of person. Dealing "good" cards isn't their job, and they can't effect it, so I refuse to tip for it.
Same with the bar tops. I'd be loathed to give the bar man a percentage of a Royal or 4OAK hit. He gets plenty of tips from pouring me drinks.
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February 22nd, 2012 at 11:04:09 AM
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Quote: NicksGamingStuffI always tip extra at places where the workers do not get toked well. For example, I always tip $2 at El Cortez per drink. They get stiffed more so than other places and the extra dollar does seem to make a noticeable difference to the drink girl. I always tip at least $10 to the dealers even if I only win $30. A guy hit a royal flush on Pai Gow Poker won $600something and only gave $5. I was upset by his cheapness and considered scolding him. When the dealer got tapped out I could tell she was upset.
The fact that a player happens to be in the right seat at the right time doesn't mean that he is required to tip the dealer. How much of a person's wins do dealers think they are entitled to?
I have been scolded by a dealer for not tipping and he in turn was scolded by the pit boss who then wrote me a generous comp. Scold away dealers. It's + EV for me every time.
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February 22nd, 2012 at 11:30:35 AM
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He should have given at least $25. I paid out 3k to a woman who bet 100 on the pair plus and got 3 of a kind, she gave $30 which was just right.
February 22nd, 2012 at 11:33:32 AM
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Quote: NicksGamingStuffHe should have given at least $25. I paid out 3k to a woman who bet 100 on the pair plus and got 3 of a kind, she gave $30 which was just right.
Huh? $5 on a $600 payout is too low, should have been $25, but $30 on a $3000 payout is just right? That doesn't make any sense at all.
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February 22nd, 2012 at 11:41:14 AM
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The tip, if any, should be based on the wager, not the win.
In a bet, there is a fool and a thief.
- Proverb.
February 22nd, 2012 at 11:46:19 AM
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Quote: NicksGamingStuffI always tip at least $10 to the dealers even if I only win $30.
That's an extraordinarily large relative tipping amount.
While players in a casino handle a lot of money, most of them are playing games that are very close to zero expectation. Blackjack is 0.5% if played with skill, craps with odds is also 0.5%, and even some of the worst odds in the house, PGP (pushes not included) and Roulette, are 5%.
If you give 33% in tips, instead of a -0.5% to -5% game, you're now playing a -33.8% to -37.5% game, way below any chance to end up ahead. Players with no intention of getting ahead might as well be railbirds.
Quote: NicksGamingStuffA guy hit a royal flush on Pai Gow Poker won $600something and only gave $5. I was upset by his cheapness and considered scolding him. When the dealer got tapped out I could tell she was upset.
About 1% of a big win in tips (if multiple, all "celebration" tips combined) I believe is fair, up to 2%-3% if the original win was on a particularly long-odds bet, but under 5% in any circumstances. Any more is just not reasonable.
I think the highest win-% to tip would be warranted upon winning $200 on a $1 Fire Bet. You want to tip bigger there, but a red chip is too low, and there's more than one dealer, so $10, being 5%, is about it. Winning $2,000 you would go back to 2%-3%, as $50 in tips is plenty to throw around.
So I'd agree that $5 was probably a bit stingy on his part, being under 1%, and that was a long-odds bet to boot, but $10 up to $10+$5 there would seem perfectly fine.
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February 22nd, 2012 at 12:18:37 PM
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The only reason why I tipped $10 on a 30 win is because the dealers at El Cortez make on average $20 a day in tips. If I was playing at a strip property I would have tipped the standard amount. I like to tip more to people who tend to make less because it means more to them. Like Dollies video says a $5 tip will get some extra attention but will not receive the extra attention from a strip casino waitress as it would from a dingy downtown one where they usually get pocket change for a drink or $1 if they are lucky. One of the cocktail waitresses at the downtown casino I work at said she took out 20 drinks and only came back with $2 something.
February 22nd, 2012 at 12:26:38 PM
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Quote: NicksGamingStuffHe should have given at least $25. I paid out 3k to a woman who bet 100 on the pair plus and got 3 of a kind, she gave $30 which was just right.
Nick, you are not seriously thinking that because you think a tip is the correct amount that it is? Tipping is such a personal decision. I think that the decision to tip a cocktail waitress, who basically gets to keep her tips, is far different than the tip to a table games dealer. Remember, if you are a sniveling mean bastard as a dealer, and are replaced by the nicest guy in the world, your tip is going equally to the mean bastard.
I work in a hospital, and for whatever reason there are many lowly paid employees. Lab techs make in the low 30's, as do 'housekeeping'. Surgical techs who I work with daily make maybe 40. They receive no tips, no bonuses, just their wages and benefits. I would be hard pressed to criticize one of them playing their $40 through a quarter VP machine because they tipped a waitress only 50 cents for a coke, knowing that waitress makes double what they do.
I am your 'usual' low end tipper, but always at least one dollar per drink, but rarely more. I find the dollar plus a nice comment, like 'thank you very much', usually gets me acceptable drink service.
February 23rd, 2012 at 5:55:55 PM
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For what it's worth, everyone's favorite cheapskate, Michael Bluejay, will be on the Wizard and Bob's show tonight. I hope the Wizard asks him about his tipping strategy.
"Dice, verily, are armed with goads and driving-hooks, deceiving and tormenting, causing grievous woe." -Rig Veda 10.34.4
