MathExtremist
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July 24th, 2016 at 9:45:34 PM permalink
It appears to be illegal period, regardless of how you use them.

Quote: NRS 205.465

Possession or sale of document or personal identifying information to establish false status or identity; penalties; rebuttable inference that possessor of personal identifying information intended to unlawfully use such information.

1. It is unlawful for a person to possess, sell or transfer any document or personal identifying information for the purpose of establishing a false status, occupation, membership, license or identity for himself or herself or any other person.

"In my own case, when it seemed to me after a long illness that death was close at hand, I found no little solace in playing constantly at dice." -- Girolamo Cardano, 1563
NaturalEight
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July 24th, 2016 at 10:07:49 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

Pretty sure you already did. You just haven't heard what you want to here.If you are known to OSN, etc, they have your photos. Name is meaningless.Why not just wander the slot isles and grab some abandoned player cards.
Play with those.



No I haven't heard from anyone whose used them to play blackjack, and obtain player cards. All I've heard is people quote laws, and give me their opinion. Frankly, I don't care about peoples opinion. I want to know what happened to people that actually used them. Furthermore if you really knew anything about what you're talking about, including facial recognition software, you'd know it's not that good. It's the name that saves you.
bobbartop
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July 24th, 2016 at 10:16:36 PM permalink
Quote: NaturalEight

I have been backed off, am in OSN, and Griffin. I cannot play blackjack under my real name without consequences at most casinos. I obtained a fake ID, that scans, and is of very high quality. I'm intending to get some player cards on this ID.




Get your real name changed. Relatively easy to do if it is important enough. Don't use fake ID, use REAL ID, government issued. You can always do this as long as there is no intent to defraud, etc. I would listen to the people in this thread that suggested not using fake ID.

You'll still have the same birth date. You'll still have the same SS#. That may thwart some of your plans.

There's nothing wrong with getting more than one legal name change in more than one state. You'll need to go before a judge. You'll certainly be asked why you want your name change and swear to God you ain't doing it to defraud.

By the way, if you have played long enough to get yourself in this situation, then you have played long enough to know some of the answers brought up in this thread. You're doing something wrong. I don't know what, but you're doing something wrong. Another poster mentioned a very good book. If you're not familiar with it, at this point in your "career", well, you shoulda been.
Don't believe anything until it is officially denied.
bobbartop
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July 24th, 2016 at 10:20:10 PM permalink
Quote: bobbartop

I would listen to the people in this thread



On second thought, a couple of them you can skip. Read them over and figure out which posters know what they're talking about. Try not to bruise any egos.
Don't believe anything until it is officially denied.
MathExtremist
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July 24th, 2016 at 10:24:27 PM permalink
Quote: NaturalEight

No I haven't heard from anyone whose used them to play blackjack, and obtain player cards. All I've heard is people quote laws, and give me their opinion. Frankly, I don't care about peoples opinion. I want to know what happened to people that actually used them. Furthermore if you really knew anything about what you're talking about, including facial recognition software, you'd know it's not that good. It's the name that saves you.

The law is not an opinion. If you know something is illegal, you do it anyway and get caught, what do you expect will happen? Or is that actually the question you're asking?
"In my own case, when it seemed to me after a long illness that death was close at hand, I found no little solace in playing constantly at dice." -- Girolamo Cardano, 1563
NaturalEight
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July 24th, 2016 at 10:26:38 PM permalink
Look, I'm not here to offend anyone, and I'm reading every post, I just want some actual experiences from people who have done this.

Technically it is illegal, but law enforcement only really take action when you're using it during the commission of a crime like passing off a fake check, or doing financial transactions that require reporting under your real name. I have NEVER heard of a card counter being detained and arrested for this. I will be the first one in history I do know that much. If they do get caught by the casino (rare) they take the ID and trespass you. Harrah's AC attempted to call the cops on one counter after they caught him using a fake ID. They cops refused to send an officer out, told them to confiscate the ID and 86 him. What I'd like to know is how they caught him? What action lead to him being caught? It's these kinds of things I want answered.

All I want is some actual real feedback from people who are actually in this situation. I may change my name, I'm not sure yet have to give it some thought. But have a trip coming up under my alias and want to know what to do if i end up in a sticky situation.
andysif
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July 24th, 2016 at 11:00:21 PM permalink
Quote: NaturalEight

No I haven't heard from anyone whose used them to play blackjack, and obtain player cards. All I've heard is people quote laws, and give me their opinion. Frankly, I don't care about peoples opinion. I want to know what happened to people that actually used them. Furthermore if you really knew anything about what you're talking about, including facial recognition software, you'd know it's not that good. It's the name that saves you.


you haven't heard from anyone because:
1. they are in jail
2. they know better than to answer question on the internet that could get them to jail
NaturalEight
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July 25th, 2016 at 12:36:45 AM permalink
Quote: andysif

you haven't heard from anyone because:
1. they are in jail
2. they know better than to answer question on the internet that could get them to jail



Maybe. They can PM me.
DeMango
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July 25th, 2016 at 3:03:58 AM permalink
Have you tried BJ sites?
Wizardofnothing
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July 25th, 2016 at 4:55:57 AM permalink
Feel free to pm me- not going to post all details in public- as I said I would stay away from
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