If I ran a casino...(Split thread)

Quote: AxelWolf

I don't think they would be able to tell exactly what the last coin in the hopper was, they land on other coins slide around and lay in different spots, other then it may be somewhere on top.

Well he did mention a little mechanism that held last coin dropped in instead of it going straight to hopper. Not sure about it but sounds plausible most likely installed to prevent slugging. Problem is once people find out about it they just dump slugs in there and make sure last coin they put in is a real token.

Quote: Twirdman

Well he did mention a little mechanism that held last coin dropped in instead of it going straight to hopper. Not sure about it but sounds plausible most likely installed to prevent slugging. Problem is once people find out about it they just dump slugs in there and make sure last coin they put in is a real token.

Ya that's defiantly possible I never seen any machines with that.

Quote: AxelWolf

Ya that's defiantly possible I never seen any machines with that.

Yeah no clue by time I was really old enough to gamble coin droppers were gone. And even if they weren't never felt need to cheat so never learned inner workings other than a curiousity so missed some of the stuff I guess.

Quote: sodawater

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Quote: sodawater

Wait, let's get this on record.

Dan, do you really believe that NJ's gaming industry problems are caused by player-friendly rules, and not something else, like increased competition and/or economic recession?

I believe it is due to the competition from Pennsylvania casinos. And Mohegan sun and Foxwoods in Connecticut. And Aqueduct in NY.
And the fact that Atlantic city has too much urban decay, sad to say.
AC can't compete well anymore.

Edit: the low hold on NJ BJ tables didn't help.

If you didn't think player-friendly rules were the cause of AC's gaming troubles, why did you mention player-friendly rules and AC's gaming troubles when I posted I was proud to play there because they couldn't bar counters?

The blackjack rules in AC are not good to begin with and are only player friendly to losing players. They may not be able to ban card counters but they can and do drive them from the tables. Bet restriction and half shoeing is all it takes. The only thing left for the counter is back counting if you want to play a only a few hands an hour. Some places even have a sign just for one player that lists their personal minimum and maximum bet, usually $5 to $50. Been there done that.

Yeah, 1BB, you are right, they can protect their games from counters with these measures.

But to me the point is one of principle. NJ casinos cannot intellectually discriminate against skilled players by making them leave or not play. It's a nice distinction to have in NJ, thanks to Mr. Uston. Sure, NJ games are not the best for counters but it just feels right to play in a state with a pro-consumer stance on this issue.

Quote: AxelWolf

Ya that's defiantly possible I never seen any machines with that.

I have never heard or seen anything like that but it wouldn't surprise me if a casino worker told the customer such a device existed to scare them off.

Quote: sodawater

Yeah, 1BB, you are right, they can protect their games from counters with these measures.

But to me the point is one of principle. NJ casinos cannot intellectually discriminate against skilled players by making them leave or not play. It's a nice distinction to have in NJ, thanks to Mr. Uston. Sure, NJ games are not the best for counters but it just feels right to play in a state with a pro-consumer stance on this issue.

The Jersey Shore and Atlantic City in particular have been a favorite of my family for years and we have many friends there. I may no longer play blackjack there unless I find advantages other than straight counting but we always enjoy ourselves. Can you imagine what it would be like if they could ban us? Fuhgeddaboudit!

By the way, I played there often during the Uston era.