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Mission146
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April 2nd, 2021 at 4:04:21 AM permalink
Quote: Chapz

What if the dice setting caused the the roll to lose vs a random throw?



I agree and mentioned that. "If you were right, but were doing it wrong."
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
daveyandersen1
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April 4th, 2021 at 9:18:51 AM permalink
WHO SAYS!!!! DICE SETTER BELIEVERS ARE"NOT that SMART I want some proof of this statement...AND don't say the proof is in the fact that I"m responding to a 4 month old post... from A- HIGH
LuckyPhow
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April 6th, 2021 at 12:12:07 PM permalink
Quote: daveyandersen1

WHO SAYS!!!! DICE SETTER BELIEVERS ARE"NOT that SMART I want some proof of this statement...AND don't say the proof is in the fact that I"m responding to a 4 month old post... from A- HIGH



Davey, it's not my intention to kick the hornets nest, OK? I found an article that talks about dice setting.

I decided to share it. The author's take is that it is yet to be confirmed one way or the other whether "Rhythm Rolling" (which includes setting the dice in this article) is an effective advantage play. Bill Zender, the author, starts by attempting to defend this, his opening sentence:

Quote: CASINO-OLOGY: Control Freaks

Anyone who has played craps and thrown the dice believes they can somehow control the outcome of the dice.



Ahem, really? In addition to Rhythm Rolling, the article also discusses Scooting & Sliding as possible advantage plays. Illegal in Nevada, y'say? Maybe and maybe not, according to the article. If what the article said is true, it was news to me. (But, I sometimes never get the memo, or whatever.)

My bottom line: It was an interesting read, but I find it difficult to believe any seasoned craps player would affirm his lead sentence. Sorta hard NOT to take offense, don'cher know?
daveyandersen1
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April 7th, 2021 at 3:54:55 PM permalink
Quote: LuckyPhow

Davey, it's not my intention to kick the hornets nest, OK? I found an article that talks about dice setting.

I decided to share it. The author's take is that it is yet to be confirmed one way or the other whether "Rhythm Rolling" (which includes setting the dice in this article) is an effective advantage play. Bill Zender, the author, starts by attempting to defend this, his opening sentence:



Ahem, really? In addition to Rhythm Rolling, the article also discusses Scooting & Sliding as possible advantage plays. Illegal in Nevada, y'say? Maybe and maybe not, according to the article. If what the article said is true, it was news to me. (But, I sometimes never get the memo, or whatever.)

My bottom line: It was an interesting read, but I find it difficult to believe any seasoned craps player would affirm his lead sentence. Sorta hard NOT to take offense, don'cher know?

when the author said "anyone who has played craps and thrown the dice, believes they can control the outcome of the dice" IS telling the truth because I think he is refering to peoples sense of confidence in themselves... I know whenever I throw I feel like MY throw is gonna be the ONE..TROUBLE IS it very rarely comes to fruition.. However I was wondering why A-High said what he did..THAT DICE SETTER BELIEVERS AREN'T THAT SMART..
AlanMendelson
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April 7th, 2021 at 6:57:04 PM permalink
The only dice shooters who CONTROL the dice are dice SLIDERS and that IS against the rules.

Anyone else who SETS the dice and throws them using some sort of regimen or discipline is HOPING that the dice will bounce and settle favorably.

There is NO CONTROL in a legal throw and the NGC defines a legal throw as:

1. Two dice are thrown simultaneously
2. Dice must fly in the air above the table surface
3. Dice must hit the table surface at least once
4. Dice must hit the back wall

In a legal throw your hope is only to limit the bouncing.
onebok
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April 8th, 2021 at 6:19:20 AM permalink
"However I was wondering why A-High said what he did..THAT DICE SETTER BELIEVERS AREN'T THAT SMART.."

It's not dice setters but those who wish to be Dice Influencers (DI's) that were being disparaged.
DI's are easily fooled by randomness as it affects their desire to practice and understand how to influence the outcome of a legal throw.
ChumpChange
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April 8th, 2021 at 7:12:32 AM permalink
When you've been having a hard time with everybody at the table throwing a point 7-out, or just passing the dice because they lack confidence to throw any better, when the DI gets the dice, how are you gonna bet if he's expected to throw 30-50 rolls?
daveyandersen1
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April 9th, 2021 at 7:37:32 PM permalink
Quote: ChumpChange

When you've been having a hard time with everybody at the table throwing a point 7-out, or just passing the dice because they lack confidence to throw any better, when the DI gets the dice, how are you gonna bet if he's expected to throw 30-50 rolls?

First off Lets hope your at that table... Then you play your usual game and you will win ALOT.30 to 50 rolls would be like heaven Right????
ChumpChange
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April 9th, 2021 at 8:03:41 PM permalink
Not if I only bet the PL and the PB 6 and only get 2 hits on each.
daveyandersen1
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April 10th, 2021 at 4:39:29 PM permalink
Quote: ChumpChange

Not if I only bet the PL and the PB 6 and only get 2 hits on each.

or you could witness 18 yos in a row and never bet them

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