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ChumpChange
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January 21st, 2021 at 5:20:31 PM permalink
Everybody sets their dice to a flying-V, so I'll bet on the PB 6. Maybe it'll work.
Chapz
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January 21st, 2021 at 5:24:31 PM permalink
Quote: ChumpChange

Everybody sets their dice to a flying-V, so I'll bet on the PB 6. Maybe it'll work.



And right behind you I throw a green chip in and yell "Lay the 6 for 24!" ;)
"To beat a random game you have to be good at being random."
Tanko
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January 22nd, 2021 at 3:29:34 AM permalink
Quote: Chapz

The dice influence debate is over. Video proof is being uploaded on a weekly basis and proving it doesn't help you win more.

P.S. Am I allowed to post the videos?



Dice setting doesn't work, but I always do a quick set. Some players appreciate the effort.

Part 1 of 2: Random Roller vs Dice Setter

Yoyomama
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January 22nd, 2021 at 5:11:54 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I think DI is bunk either way, however, I don't think videos showing results is a good measure, especially since videos can be cherry picked.

We would have to find a few people who the DI crowd are convinced are the best and have them roll a significant amount of rolls. That would end the debate one way or the other. OR JUST WATCH SOME SLOW MOTION VIDEOS.



This doesn't prove anything, but these dice look like they are glued together til they hit the table. It's in slow motion and looks pretty cool!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BC-sHstkIHA
Last edited by: Yoyomama on Jan 22, 2021
Ahigh
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January 22nd, 2021 at 2:20:02 PM permalink
Generally speaking, people who believe in being able to get an advantage by throwing the dice in a particular way are below the intelligence level of the average population. That being said, a small percentage of these people are correct, IMO. And even out of those who are correct that they have a mathematical advantage, most of THEM, still, despite any advantage to a shot per the math, lose.

The thing that just blows me away is how much belief in obvious falsehood is going on here.

I used to do live-broadcasts from my craps table eight years ago from Vegas.

It's been so long that I have, honestly, forgotten about the obvious lacking of intelligence of the average "so-called DI."

It's NOT personal, but honestly, most people who believe in DI just are NOT that SMART.

#mostlyLosers
onebok
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January 31st, 2021 at 5:44:11 PM permalink
There is a similarity between average "so-called DI"'s and those who are
susceptible to joining a cult or similar group of like-thinking people who
believe in something that ignores important facts and/or logic.
While there is no reason to think that it is impossible to have some control
over dice results, there are many DI-related technical facts that they
simply find convenient to ignore.
For example: the smallest inaccuracy of an axial toss that results in a 4-3
rather than a preferred 3-3 is a distance of merely two die faces or
1.5 inches(using 3/4" dice and assuming an incredibly well-behaved toss).
Why would anyone think that their most frequent practice-table dice result of,
let's say, 5-4, would occur with equal frequency on an unfamiliar live casino
table environment where the table-length likely differs from one's practice
table environment by a couple inches or more. Not to mention that the depth
of the deck surface alone may differ from one's practice table by a couple
inches as well.
To let Bonetracker software find obscure dice sets that provide more
frequent desirable dice results from a series of practice-tosses is asking for
almost certain betting losses on an unfamiliar casino table. Of course, happy
variance can be the source of self-delusion about one's DI abilities, especially
when they are non-existent.
odiousgambit
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February 1st, 2021 at 1:16:41 PM permalink
Quote: Yoyomama

This doesn't prove anything, but these dice look like they are glued together til they hit the table. It's in slow motion and looks pretty cool!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BC-sHstkIHA

This fully supports the notion that dice setters often are complete morons. This guy is showing off, surely. Yet the dice bounce hard and then hit the rubber pyramids on the back wall. It is incredibly stupid to think that could result in anything but a random result. Youtube is full of these.
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onebok
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February 1st, 2021 at 2:56:56 PM permalink
If you carefully and repeatedly stop-start this video you will notice that there were 3 sevens in approximately 12 tosses that you could discern by careful examination.
That gives an SRR of 4 in spite of having control of one's own video recordings. If anything clearly supports Ahigh's arguments it is that video's creator ;-)
It is not surprising how poor his results are since the toss is clearly a tumbling disaster once the dice hit the deck. Looks photogenic up until then.
Ahigh
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February 15th, 2021 at 11:03:29 AM permalink
Quote: onebok

If you carefully and repeatedly stop-start this video you will notice that there were 3 sevens in approximately 12 tosses that you could discern by careful examination.
That gives an SRR of 4 in spite of having control of one's own video recordings. If anything clearly supports Ahigh's arguments it is that video's creator ;-)
It is not surprising how poor his results are since the toss is clearly a tumbling disaster once the dice hit the deck. Looks photogenic up until then.



Any conclusion made based on the opinion of the observer on what it "looks like" is generally suspect to be fallacy, IMO.

You need the law of large numbers and scientific experiments to form the kind of conclusions that would matter.

And with 100 rolls per hour as your mean fast-moving table, large numbers are just hard to come by.

It's all by design that you're going to be guessing on trends no matter how you slice it at the casino unless you really KNOW something.

And when it comes to epistemology, most can't spell the word, much less discuss the relevance of the notion.
HiOpt2Poor
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March 31st, 2021 at 11:11:17 PM permalink
I had an excellent win dice setting a couple weeks back.

100% true story. I won 3K not sure it had anything to do with the dice setting. But the nice person next to me called his host to the table and got me a comped room and the place was sold out. Maybe I'll keep practicing my Dice Set. lol

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