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djatc
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December 21st, 2015 at 6:04:40 PM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

Marriage is a wonderful thing. But I pity the poor slobs who are stuck in a bad marriage and can't afford to get out of it.



Marry the 6 and 8 lay the 4 and 10
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AxelWolf
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December 21st, 2015 at 6:50:14 PM permalink
Quote: djatc

Marry the 6 and 8 lay the 4 and 10

Are we talking looks or inches ?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
AxelWolf
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December 21st, 2015 at 6:54:20 PM permalink
Quote: MathExtremist

Except that it already happened, and the casino already did make efforts to counter the practice. You don't get to throw against a hard backboard anymore. From a return-on-investment standpoint, attempting to practice dice control is a terrible waste of time. If it's possible at all, it apparently takes months or years to master a particular physical technique intended to throw the dice in an advantageous way. It takes the casino less than 5 minutes to tell you to throw the dice so they bounce back further from the back wall, or pass the dice to the next shooter.

There have been several people who talk about minimizing the bounces and gently rolling to a stop touching the back wall. Yet the boxperson can simply say "throw harder or pass the dice" and all that effort is for naught. So why bother, even if it is possible? It's not like the casino isn't going to notice that your dice always just barely touch the back wall and be okay with it.

IF it was possible(IT'S NOT) It would work like card counting. Hop around, find weak management, go to other states etc etc.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
djatc
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December 21st, 2015 at 9:20:03 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Are we talking looks or inches ?



lol
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December 21st, 2015 at 10:32:55 PM permalink
Any DI I've talked to (real life or forum)...

Me: What are your dice roll frequencies?
DI: depends on set
Me: any set.
DI: well my V-3-6 set aims for 6's and 8's
Me: Ok, how frequently do you roll a 6 or an 8 with that set? And rolling a 7?
DI: It's....the umm.....I'm aiming for 6's and 8's, not 7's!!
Me: Do you know what your edge is?
DI: My wha?
Me: What's your EV per roll? How much do you bet, what bets do you make? If you make a $100 hard 6 bet, what's your EV on that bet? If you don't bet that, do you know your EV for any other bet?
DI: It depends on if it hits or not, duhh.
Me: How frequently do you roll a 6?
DI: Depends what my set is
Me: Do you have any idea what the **** you're doing???????



This isn't proof DI doesn't work, but, I'd think if someone could influence the dice and were betting $$$$ on it, then they'd know some of these (what should be) very simple questions to answer. Kinda like Rob Singer. He doesn't know how frequently he wins, he doesn't know what his "expected" win is, he doesn't know how frequently he goes from level X to level Y. Same thing with DI's.

You talk to someone who actually knows what they're doing and they know exactly what all these values are. What's it worth per hour, what their edge is, their expected win, etc. Of course, some (few, rare) aren't so easy to figure out what the edge is or the hourly, but if you knew how they worked, you'd say the same thing I've said, "I don't know what my edge is, I don't know what my hourly rate is, or whatever else.....it's so strong and so good, even if you run awful, you're breaking even."
MathExtremist
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December 21st, 2015 at 10:47:11 PM permalink
I agree. I've never read a post, article, or book from anyone claiming to influence the dice that had any correct math in it. Everyone writes about SRR, probably because it seems intuitively related to winning the pass bet. Except it's actually not. SRR is simple to understand, easy to track, and totally useless as a measurement of player edge.

What's most curious is that nobody with a better understanding of the math has ever claimed they have an edge and credibly quantified it.
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AxelWolf
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December 21st, 2015 at 11:46:22 PM permalink
Quote: djatc

lol

♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
AlanMendelson
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December 22nd, 2015 at 12:41:52 AM permalink
All I care about is my SRR and now that I found a casino offering the Small, Tall, All bets I'm finally winning money at craps.

The longer I can avoid a 7 the better chance I have rolling the Small, Tall and All.
NokTang
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December 22nd, 2015 at 3:12:34 PM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

All I care about is my SRR and now that I found a casino offering the Small, Tall, All bets I'm finally winning money at craps.

The longer I can avoid a 7 the better chance I have rolling the Small, Tall and All.



Hi Alan, and Happy Holidays.

Why are you making jokes at Christmas time? Didn't you see the Miss Universe contest replay where the MC played a joke on Miss Columbia? How rude and crude and disgusting actually.

The Small, Tall, and All bets have long ago been debunked as have overwhelming house advantages. Stating the obvious also doesn't earn you any brownie points with this well educated and experienced group.

Cheers mate. You are usually good for a laugh, but not this morning. I see a man grabbing at straws.
AlanMendelson
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December 22nd, 2015 at 5:15:08 PM permalink
Yeah, I understand that the STA bets have these huge house edges. But I'm up about $7,000 playing craps at Bellagio over just three trips. Oh, that doesn't include the $31,005 progressive royal. That photo is on my forum.

Happy holidays.

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