a little advice for tahoe trip, please

Hello, and thanks for all the info. I have been reading the site for a few days now and thought i would ask.
A little background: I have played 20-30 sessions live. Usually i only have 200-300 for a day trip to the casino, and as of recent i have been playing, PL, 1x/2x odds, and placing the 6/8. do OK but PSO gets to me.
When playing a $10 min table this bankroll can last 5+hours or be gone in 20 min, so I want to come up with an alterternitive plan.

I will say that my expectation walking in is to possibly lose it all, but hopefully just not in 30 min. The first 30-50 I win goes into my pocket for a steak "on the house"

So, I will be going to south lake tahoe second week of Feb, fri sat sun, and expect to play, 3-4 sessions, i am aiming to bring a bankroll of 500-600,(what i can afford to loose). Knowing I will be with the girlfriend i will have to suffer the $10 tables, and i wanted to run an idea or two by the board. I'll also say that i understand about the dark side and have chosen to leave that for later.

1. PL + 3/4/5X + 2 comes(no odds due to BR) 60-80exposeure/hand, : take/press/take/press(the come)

2. PL + come every roll.. my thought is, at that point the come bet on every roll is a slight hedge(4/36 losers to 8/36winners) any kind of win from this come would be a garuanteed entry to the next hand

I have palyed many rounds on the computer and i do think its just different when played live, and excitng when everyone is having a good run.

also knowing that i want to play multiple sessions, do you guys/gals think is would be better to start each session with 200, or use the whole 500 to even out small periods of loss?? My strategey is to get up 100-200 per session, if i do, then i only continue to play with any execess.Lock in the up, right!!

Well that's the idea, your thoughts??
Thanks in advance

I'm not really sure what you are asking.

I do think your awareness that you will have your girl friend along means you should not try anything new or anything requiring more concentration than that which your girlfriend will allow. They are a distraction... don't be distracted particularly if she doesn't know how to play. You can't teach her and play at the same time. It never works out well.

I know that final come bet is a sort of hedge, but if you've just had every number covered and the shooter sevens out... its painful.

I'd stick to the One PL bet and Two Come Bets. Thats it.

I'd buy in for 500 if able ... it will impress the Comp people perhaps. And its likely to get the crew to notice you.

I think it would be better to play BJ with the Wizard's printed strategy sheets.

I know its not an answer to your question, but I agree with the BJ suggestion. However if you are playing at Harrahs or Harveys, you really have to look for a good table. Both casinos are filled with 6/5 party games and such. Not too familiar with Horizon (a dump) rules or the Montblue games.

Quote: Boz

I know its not an answer to your question, but I agree with the BJ suggestion. However if you are playing at Harrahs or Harveys, you really have to look for a good table. Both casinos are filled with 6/5 party games and such. Not too familiar with Horizon (a dump) rules or the Montblue games.

Horizon does not have table games, just slots. A few months back in response to another request, I posted here a brief description of blackjack rules that I found in Stateline, NV (South Lake Tahoe area). I only played craps there but played BJ at some of the other regional casinos that didn't have crap tables operating.

Quote: Boz

I know its not an answer to your question, but I agree with the BJ suggestion. However if you are playing at Harrahs or Harveys, you really have to look for a good table. Both casinos are filled with 6/5 party games and such. Not too familiar with Horizon (a dump) rules or the Montblue games.

But, you know, even 6-5 party games beat the crap out of everything except decent VP and craps played discriminately. So, what's wrong with those games?
Especially if you are playing for a dollar and getting to scope out some nice flesh! Sounds like a damn fine plan to me. Can only laugh at these guys who get all insulted at those returns, as if the casinos OWE them the good games. And those same jerks want a food comp every hour! I say kick their ass out and let the common man have some fun.

Thanks for the quick replies!
The GF will play slots as usual, she will not bee to much of a distraction, and if i tell her to give me 30min, she will go away.

I know i can sit and play blackjack all night using basic strat, or play $10 pass line all night, but thats no fun at all and still might losse slowly.

i wanted to get a couple ideas to try, main reason for being there is the fun, winning money is the icing not the primary goal. Unless I loose 3 sessions in a row it will all be fun.
I also like the math of the game, but on the other hand i like to have a few goose martinis while at the table. Again there for fun.
So i guess what i'm talking about is a diff way to play than usual that's still smart, my style is i like to have some coverage but still take the smart moves. to tip i wait till the third win and put 2 on the 4/10 HW with 1 to the dealers. Are you lost yet??

BTW- was actually in tahoe llike 3 weeks ago and 2am in the morning and nothing but 15min tables, ouch! but i did play for a while and did decent.
For the first time i have seen there (harrahs/harvey's) they had a table with 2,3,12 point boxes, i told the dealer i've never seen that before and he said the best thing is a pass line bet can't loose!!
Have any of you heard of this, dealer said it was from down south??
I did play at this table for a while, it was a 10 min, but i dont remember what he said the payouts were....

Yes, Pl + 2 come would be a decent balance of fun/safe, and good BR management, 30/bet x10 shooters=about right

Quote: shupe03a4

For the first time i have seen there (harrahs/harvey's) they had a table with 2,3,12 point boxes, i told the dealer i've never seen that before and he said the best thing is a pass line bet can't loose!!
Have any of you heard of this, dealer said it was from down south??
I did play at this table for a while, it was a 10 min, but i dont remember what he said the payouts were....

Sounds as if you found a carny game known as Crapless Craps. Should have had a box for an 11 point, too. Of course, a pass bet can indeed lose, just not on the come out roll. Overall, the house edge is just a little worse than standard craps, and there is no option for don't pass or don't come. I think the game was invented by Bob Stupak and introduced in Las Vegas, though I may have that wrong. It didn't come from the south unless in Tahoe they consider Las Vegas to be in the "south". There are, indeed, a lot of crapless craps tables in Mississippi. I don't like them.

Truthfully Tahoe is for tourists, not gamblers...
But if you must go...play craps at Harveys...or better yet, go down the street to Lakeside Inn...where they appreciate dealer tokes.
If you want to play video poker, go to the bar in Harveys up above the arcade...

Your bankroll is way to low to play any of the methods you mentioned.

Pass line + coming every roll is a useless strategy if you do not take odds. The whole point of making pass/come bets is to put odds on them.

I would stick to $10 on the pass line, single odds on every point. No come bets. If the point is a six or eight, you could place the sister number for $12. Press your odds on the pass line if you get ahead.

And I second the recommendation for Lakeside Inn. Only problem is it can be crowded. Maybe try Montbleu?

And let us know how it goes! Good luck!

Your bankroll is way to small to play any of the methods you mentioned.

Pass line + coming every roll is a futile strategy if you do not take odds. The whole point of making pass/come bets is to put odds on them.

I would stick to $10 on the pass line, single odds on every point. No come bets. If the point is a six or eight, you could place the sister number for $12. Press your odds on the pass line if you get ahead. Do not get crazy with your bets. Craps is a game that preys on action junkies, and you need to sit back once in a while or the game will kill you.

And I second the recommendation for Lakeside Inn. Only problem is it can be crowded. Maybe try Montbleu?

And let us know how it goes! Good luck!

Quote: teddys

And I second the recommendation for Lakeside Inn. Only problem is it can be crowded.

Really? Damn...I must go at the wrong times...I stayed there once for 4th of July (comped) and it was BARELY crowded (considering I had a room view of the lake/fireworks and a balcony)

Quote: teddys

Your bankroll is way to low to play any of the methods you mentioned.

Pass line + coming every roll is a useless strategy if you do not take odds. The whole point of making pass/come bets is to put odds on them.

I would stick to $10 on the pass line, single odds on every point. No come bets. If the point is a six or eight, you could place the sister number for $12. Press your odds on the pass line if you get ahead.


And let us know how it goes! Good luck!

I have to agree with teddys. The math behind his suggestion is solid.

shupe03a4,
Your session bankroll should be 10x your initial bet....This is a decent betting strategy for limited bankrolls.
Are you are familiar with "charting" a table? I would suggest you watch a table for several shooters to see what the "trend" is showing. Observe if there are short rolls resulting in early 7 outs, or shooters making several points before they 7 out, or a combination of both(choppy) table.
With this information, you should be able to decide on whether to bet "right" or "wrong" or not at all (choppy).
If you bet "right", I suggest that (after) a shooter establishes a point number, you make place bets of $12 on the 6,and $12 on the 8. Wait for a decision on your bets (or) for up to 4 rolls. If the 6 or 8 doesn't hit within those rolls, take the bets down and wait for the shooter to 7 out or make his point. If one of your bets hits, take the $14 win and put it in your chip rack, and tell the dealer to "regress" your 6 & 8 to $6 each. He will give you back $12 by reducing your bets. Keep the bets up for 3 more rolls. If no hits, or one of them hits, take everything down. Start all over if the shooter makes his point. If he 7's out, wait for the next shooter to establish a point and repeat the above.
On the "don't" side, I like to lay the point and place a don't come bet ($15). I will hedge the don't come with a $1 yo. The lay acts as a hedge for the don't come. I"ll remove the lay bet after the don't come goes up on a number. I will go up on 2 don't come bets and let them ride.
Tom

My last post was based on a $5 minimum table. If you are at a $10 minimum table, make your place bets $18 on the 6 & 8, then regress them to $12. The dealer will pay you $21 for the win and give you back $12 for reducing your bets ($6 each).
This unfortunately requires you to have a starting bankroll of $360.
You can always do pass line betting with at least single odds. Never play with "scared" money. Have enough of a bankroll to play or don't play at all. Have a loss limit of 50%, no more.
Tom