MrV
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October 2nd, 2011 at 12:29:00 PM permalink
I applaud the decision of the casino to bar dice setting.

Superstitious, time-wasting affectation, is all it is.
"What, me worry?"
MrRalph
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October 2nd, 2011 at 1:22:17 PM permalink
All games have their quirks. You can use a basic strategy card at Black Jack or Spanish 21. Baccarat players tear up the cards ,other players lament over every decision sometimes with much less money at stake then the averaage roll at a craps table. I know there are more dealers at a craps table so it costs more to offer that game but there are also more players with larger bets and a lot of bets with a high house edge. A player should be able to shake them, set them or what ever the hell they want to as long as it does not hold up the game and the dice reach the backwall. (with the exception of Buz putting them in his mouth)The casinos are getting like insurance companies. Pay your premium but do not have a claim or we will get rid of you. Dice setters or dice shakers are the least of the problems at the tables compared to the idiots who never took time to learn the game.They do not know how to bet or make late bets or scream out there bets before it is time. They do not know the order the bets are paid off or even what their bets are suppose to pay, then they argue with the dealer. This is what holds the game up. I for one will pass on Wheeling Isle from now on. My thinking would be if they are this tight with the craps rules then the pay tables on everything else probably suck as well.
DJTeddyBear
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October 2nd, 2011 at 2:08:02 PM permalink
Quote: Nareed

I like it :)

For the next edition of the Oxford dictionary, your picture should be on the entry for "ornery" (that's a compliment, really)

I'm not that ornery, but I understand and DO take it as a compliment.

BTW: DON'T shake them on your come out. Wait till you have a point to shoot for. I.E. Wait until you can't just pick up the chips, pass the dice and leave. Force thier hand. :B
I invented a few casino games. Info: http://www.DaveMillerGaming.com/ 覧覧覧覧覧覧覧覧覧覧覧覧覧覧覧覧覧覧 Superstitions are silly, childish, irrational rituals, born out of fear of the unknown. But how much does it cost to knock on wood? 😁
buzzpaff
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October 2nd, 2011 at 2:12:16 PM permalink
Quote: Nareed

Only if you brush your teeth before each throw.

Of course that would slow down the game. So I'm guessing no.



I demand a raise. In vaudeville the straight man always got paid more. Because everybody wanted to be the comedian. No matter who's on first ,Abbott got first billing and at least 51%.
Keyser
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October 2nd, 2011 at 2:15:30 PM permalink
There's two reasons for the dice decision

1. Setting dice is slowing down the game.
2. There really are a couple of very well run Argentinean AP dice crews operating in the US right now. However, they aren't setting the dice like most here would set them. They are mainly sliders, and spin shots. They are high end operators. Currently gaming officials aren't sure as to how many teams there are in operation. Right now many casinos are reevaluating their risk and game procedures at the dice tables as a direct result. This includes the Wynn.
buzzpaff
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October 2nd, 2011 at 2:19:31 PM permalink
Truth is stranger than Fiction. REALLY. Damn, dice setters got this cynic wondering ???

DICE CHEATING-LAWSUIT

Las Vegas casino sues 2 over cheating at craps

LAS VEGAS (AP) - A Las Vegas resort has sued two Argentine nationals, claiming they illegally won about $700,000 in craps by using an uncommon form of cheating known as "dice sliding."

The Las Vegas Review-Journal reports Wynn Las Vegas filed the lawsuit in Clark County District Court against Leonardo Fernandez and Veronica Dabul.

The two were arrested by Nevada Gaming Control Board agents on July 18 on suspicion of resorting to dice sliding to cheat the resort with the help of several unidentified customers who placed bets and distracted craps dealers.

Dice sliding involves sliding at least 1 of the dice across the table after positioning it in the hand so the desired number remains face up.

Efforts to each the defendants were not immediately successful.


Your comment DAN LUBIN !!
Nareed
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October 2nd, 2011 at 2:20:32 PM permalink
Quote: buzzpaff

I demand a raise. In vaudeville the straight man always got paid more. Because everybody wanted to be the comedian. No matter who's on first ,Abbott got first billing and at least 51%.



But do you know Who's on first?
Donald Trump is a fucking criminal
buzzpaff
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October 2nd, 2011 at 2:21:36 PM permalink
Quote: Nareed

But do you know Who's on first?



" CERTAINLY "
AZDuffman
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October 2nd, 2011 at 2:25:06 PM permalink
I vote that they are sweating the money. PA casinos, espically Meadows, are killing them. As OH comes online there goes a lot of their remaining base. The place is far too large to be a pure "locals" casino for the Wheeling or even panhandle market. I have heard stories from there and Mountaineer that dealer layoffs are no longer keeping pace with loss of players, meaning staffing even minimum tables is starting to kill toke rates. So you have to figure that the casino hurts as well.

I still think back to class where I was setting them and using the "rosebut-lob" and the instructor looked at me and shook his head. Same instructor just said, "they are not supposed to" when a few ladies in class made me explain to him what I was doing as I picked up the dice. But he said it with a reaction that it was something the casino basically had to tolerate or else would drive players away.

And this is what will happen to Wheeling Island. It happens in lots of poorly-managed businesses. The management tries to "solve" something that is not a probem and POes the regulars. So they go elsewhere. Then they "solve" another the same way. Eventually they are at an empty casino, wondering why everyone is playing across the street.

Perhaps in the same mabnner as "Restaurant Impossible" and "Bar Rescue" there should be a reality show called "Casino Rescue" where a crew comes in and teaches better customer service, that hassling people that might be counting costs business, and all that nonesense costs money to the house?
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buzzpaff
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October 2nd, 2011 at 2:27:10 PM permalink
Costello: Look, you gotta first baseman?

Abbott: Certainly.

Costello: Who's playing first?

Abbott: That's right.

Costello: When you pay off the first baseman every month, who gets the money?

Abbott: Every dollar of it.

Costello: All I'm trying to find out is the fellow's name on first base.

Abbott: Who.

Costello: The guy that gets...

Abbott: That's it.

Costello: Who gets the money...

Abbott: He does, every dollar. Sometimes his wife comes down and collects it.

Costello: Whose wife?

Abbott: Yes.

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