DP w/ 4X odds
April 7th, 2026 at 3:23:55 AM
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I'm starting my day looking at playing with 4X odds on the Don't Pass. I've been playing over at the Draft Kings Casino Demo Craps game. I started out playing the PL and pulled ahead for awhile but got hammered by a streak of like 10-15 non-point shooters in a row. They may hit their come-out 7-11's though, and that's why I like to keep the DP bet low with at least 3X odds. I figure more often than not, I'm going to get clobbered within 2 hours by such a bad streak, that if I'm on the dark side I could actually hit a session win goal.
So on a bubble craps machine that only has double odds, doing 4X odds means doing double odds and laying a similar amount against the point and getting a 5% payout loss on the lay bets. I just get confused about how to calculate the overall HA when doing that. But for a $30 DP bet and $60 odds bet and $60 laid against the point, it could turn out to be a $1.50 or more in vig on the lay bets (place to lose on the 6 & 8). I figure that's a 1.67% HA not counting DP come-out rolls because I won $30 + $30 + $28.50 = $88.50 on the 4 or 10; and $1.50/$90 = $1.67%. I'm just going into math failure over here. If it was on a table with only 2X odds and the vig upfront, it would be $1/$90 = 1.11% HA not counting the DP come-out rolls. If I tried to switch it around to PL w/ 4X odds on a 3X, 4X, 5X table, I'd still have to buy $30 on the 4, 10 point for $1 even though I have $90 odds. Maybe I'll just play a table that has 10X odds and not worry about that when I get to it.
I've got to win some sessions first, and they haven't been coming by normal means on the Do side. But if I have to win 20 sessions to get to $80K on the bubble craps machine, there's going to be a lot of vig paid to the House on the way using this 4X odds strategy with 2X odds and 2X lay bets.
I would have to limit PL bets with 4X odds to $140 + $280 odds + $280 PB/Buy the point. On the 4, 10 there's a $14 vig on the payout of $560 + $560 on the odds bet plus the line bet of $140 for a total of $1,246 plus the bet back of $700 for a total win of $1,946 to stay under the $2K taxable hand pay limit. On the DP side, I could go all the way to $195 on the line with $390 odds and $400 lay bets on the point and still stay under the $2K payout limit.
So on a bubble craps machine that only has double odds, doing 4X odds means doing double odds and laying a similar amount against the point and getting a 5% payout loss on the lay bets. I just get confused about how to calculate the overall HA when doing that. But for a $30 DP bet and $60 odds bet and $60 laid against the point, it could turn out to be a $1.50 or more in vig on the lay bets (place to lose on the 6 & 8). I figure that's a 1.67% HA not counting DP come-out rolls because I won $30 + $30 + $28.50 = $88.50 on the 4 or 10; and $1.50/$90 = $1.67%. I'm just going into math failure over here. If it was on a table with only 2X odds and the vig upfront, it would be $1/$90 = 1.11% HA not counting the DP come-out rolls. If I tried to switch it around to PL w/ 4X odds on a 3X, 4X, 5X table, I'd still have to buy $30 on the 4, 10 point for $1 even though I have $90 odds. Maybe I'll just play a table that has 10X odds and not worry about that when I get to it.
I've got to win some sessions first, and they haven't been coming by normal means on the Do side. But if I have to win 20 sessions to get to $80K on the bubble craps machine, there's going to be a lot of vig paid to the House on the way using this 4X odds strategy with 2X odds and 2X lay bets.
I would have to limit PL bets with 4X odds to $140 + $280 odds + $280 PB/Buy the point. On the 4, 10 there's a $14 vig on the payout of $560 + $560 on the odds bet plus the line bet of $140 for a total of $1,246 plus the bet back of $700 for a total win of $1,946 to stay under the $2K taxable hand pay limit. On the DP side, I could go all the way to $195 on the line with $390 odds and $400 lay bets on the point and still stay under the $2K payout limit.
Last edited by: ChumpChange on Apr 7, 2026
