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September 13th, 2022 at 9:59:50 AM permalink
Great idea.

To answer OPís question (which if Mission directly answered, I missed it) if last roll was a 6 and a 4, the odds on buying or laying a 10 are unchanged. So neither is a good bet.

Normally itís 3 ways to make a 10 and 6 ways to make a 7. So 2:1 fair odds.

After the roll itís 2 ways to make a 10 and 4 ways to make a 7. So still 2:1 fair odds.

ETA: Also, Dude, ď2/1Ē is not the preferred nomenclature.
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September 13th, 2022 at 10:06:39 AM permalink
Quote: unJon

Great idea.

To answer OPís question (which if Mission directly answered, I missed it) if last roll was a 6 and a 4, the odds on buying or laying a 10 are unchanged. So neither is a good bet.

Normally itís 3 ways to make a 10 and 6 ways to make a 7. So 2/1 fair odds.

After the roll itís 2 ways to make a 10 and 4 ways to make a 7. So still 2/1 fair odds.
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That was the question? Oops. These things happen with me. I start with a specific question and my mind wanders off to, "But, what would be the best bet?"

And...then I fail to ever answer the original question.
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September 13th, 2022 at 10:30:27 AM permalink
ha ha.

It never would have occurred to me to start checking out every single conceivable bet, certainly not hop bets. Genius.

I also see that a 2:1 payoff [or 1:2] on the 10 is now unchanged as a fair bet [if no commission]... as per Unjon. But I didn't want to show it and get embarrassed again!! Actually being a good exercise for me is why I did it, but sure enough wrong again!

I'm going to look at a old worn bubble craps machine a little differently now.
The Dice, the cards, they not only have no sense of justice but are seemingly endowed with a sense of cruel irony. This devolves from the 'nature of random'. Ironically, don't you see. 
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September 13th, 2022 at 10:35:22 AM permalink
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[snip] So 2/1 fair odds.
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Please use the convention 2:1 instead of 2/1 for "2 to 1" as I read the latter as "2 divided by one" ... yeah, I know, I'm being anal. Sorry
The Dice, the cards, they not only have no sense of justice but are seemingly endowed with a sense of cruel irony. This devolves from the 'nature of random'. Ironically, don't you see. 
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September 13th, 2022 at 10:40:59 AM permalink
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Quote: unJon

[snip] So 2/1 fair odds.
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Please use the convention 2:1 instead of 2/1 for "2 to 1" as I read the latter as "2 divided by one" ... yeah, I know, I'm being anal. Sorry
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Have edited my post.
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September 13th, 2022 at 11:02:49 AM permalink
It's been a while since I played, but are all the hop bets available on bubble craps? Also, do you have enough time to place all of the 'good' hop bets between rolls? Oh, and I'd imagine that you will want to take your winning hop bet down after each roll!
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September 13th, 2022 at 11:16:17 AM permalink
As I recall, there is some button that says, "Hop bets open," or some such, so I'd guess you would click on that. I also know that Snake Eyes, Three, Yo and Midnight are on the main layout of these things. Those bets are going to be really easy to make, so just remember what faces you want to have not seen.

There should be a button that removes all bets that can be removed, so that's going to be your first thing to do every roll, if it's even applicable. Aren't Hop Bets one roll and down even if they win? The machine is at least going to remove all of your Hop Bets except for the one that won (I would think), which it also might remove.

As far as speed, I wouldn't know, though I imagine that you would get faster with time. I don't know what machine this is precisely:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbKWaU2VDKQ

But, if you jump to about 4:20 you will see the Hops open on it, exception to main screen ones, I think.
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September 13th, 2022 at 11:31:06 AM permalink
Out the door, but here's a quick---

SHOWER THOUGHT: Because 4 * 7 = 28, an Any Craps Bet can also be very good, but only if the previous dice faces were 4/3 or 3/4.
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September 13th, 2022 at 12:13:34 PM permalink
If such a machine existed where a number could not repeat itself, I would be able to retire after a day or two. I think my favorite would be to bet on "8" after rolling snake eyes. I think around 17% edge if being paid 7 to 6. The only difficulty would be trying to figure out how hard to hit it before you get 86'ed.
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September 13th, 2022 at 1:38:24 PM permalink
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If such a machine existed where a number could not repeat itself, I would be able to retire after a day or two. I think my favorite would be to bet on "8" after rolling snake eyes. I think around 17% edge if being paid 7 to 6. The only difficulty would be trying to figure out how hard to hit it before you get 86'ed.
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yes, but it would only have to "tend to" not repeat itself.

I think the machine is the thing that would get 86'd
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