Craps - leaving bets working

Last time I was at the casino, the dealer did not leave my odds bets working. Some previous times with other dealers, they were leaving them working for me. Do I specifically have to tell them to leave my odds bets (lets say 6&8) working for this to happen? I was putting odds on the 6&8 after the pass line point was established. Numerous times I had odds on the 6&8 but when the point was off, and 6 or 8 was rolled to set the new point - they did not pay out. Many times the new point came up a 6 or 8 but my bets up there would not pay. I think I was losing money by not leaving them working this time. What is the player advantage to leaving them working vs not working? I understand if I leave them working and a 7 is rolled on the come out roll while the point is off - obviously I lose both odds bets. Any advice ???

I understand the odds of hitting a 6 or 8 are 5/36ea so I'm at 10/36 vs catching a 7 6/36

I assume you’re talking about the odds on come bets.

Yes, it’s standard that they’re off on a come out roll. Since you could take them off at will, and people generally root for a seven coming out, they’ll automatically make them off rather then you having to turn them off or take them down. That’s why the puck says ‘off’ on come outs.

You have to request them to be on if that’s your choice.

Your prior experience may have been with dealers that picked up on your style to keep them on every time.

Note that odds on don’t come bets stay on regardless since they would pay on a come out seven.

Thanks DJ. I think that is exactly what happened and I will elect to leave them on next time I play. Some dealers knew I was playing them anyways and left them on. The last one didn't and I didn't last as long. But we never know for sure. Its craps !!!

when you give the dealer the money for the free odds, say "always working, please"

they'll be astonished at your good manners and remember you, ha ha. You can train that dealer, but I would always say it. They change dealers all the time of course

Sounds good but they remember me anyways. It's a small place. Not like up at the Falls where they have 5 or 6 different areas with table games and craps. They usually only have one craps table going. Maybe 2 and only three tables with BJ/Spanish21. I get pissed off they don't have more shoe games of blackjack. I get they use the automatic shufflers to get more hands per hour but I prefer the shoe games but those are usually 50min though. So I'm dabbling with Craps when the 15 and 25 BJ tables are full. Did great when I kept them 'always working'', other times not so well...

Thank you

WizardofBuffalo is asking about making Place Bets on 6 and 8 and having those bets continue to be at risk during Pass Line Coneouts. He has misnamed those bets as Odds, which is a very common error. He stated that he made those bets after a Pass Point had been established. That timing clarifies their nature.

True Odds bets always require predicate Flat Bets. Place bets differ from Odds bets in that they have no predicates and also dissimilar payouts.

Odds bets on Come Points as well as Place bets are not at risk by default during Pass Line Comeouts. They "Follow the Puck." Individual players may override that default status for their own bets by so informing the dealer, who will use small "lammers" to clarify the overrides for the cameras.

Each dealer encountered will require clarity and often repeated requests and reminders regarding the preferences of an individual player who wants to depart from the default rule.

Exposing Place Bets and True Odds bets to risk during Pass Line Comeout rolls has obvious and dramatic consequences in the short term. Over many decisions however the mathematical distinction from a policy of following the Puck is tiny.

My bets are always off because 1/6 times I'll lose them and that's too big of a risk.

I'll also turn off my bets -- even odds -- after a roll goes too long because I've rarely experienced a roll going longer than fifteen minutes.

Only twice in my life have I been at a table when a roll went longer than one hour. One roll was 61 minutes and one was 75 minutes.

I have a habit of checking my watch on every shooter.

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My bets are always off because 1/6 times I'll lose them and that's too big of a risk.

I have a habit of checking my watch on every shooter.

Just to confirm: you put chips on the table but they are never on? I didn’t realize that was allowed.

The probability that the next roll is a seven is always 1/6. Or does that probability vary with the time shown on your watch ?

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Quote: AlanMendelson

My bets are always off because 1/6 times I'll lose them and that's too big of a risk.

I have a habit of checking my watch on every shooter.

Just to confirm: you put chips on the table but they are never on? I didn’t realize that was allowed.

The probability that the next roll is a seven is always 1/6. Or does that probability vary with the time shown on your watch ?
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It would be a better forum if people weren't always picking on someone. So Alan is a somewhat superstitious player, so what? Why do you have to harsh his buzz? I had a SevenStars next to me once at a craps table, great conversationalist, but the biggest bundle of neuroses and superstitions I've ever seen. Drink girl walks by, he has to spin 360 clockwise before he'd shoot. Stuff like that. Entertaining? Yup. Did I have to tell him it was all bunk? I could have, but why spoil his time? Same goes here.

Alan does raise an intriguing point, however: while the math says 1/6 for crapping out on any particular roll (except come-outs), what does the graph of roll length vs probability say?. Given that all rolls must end, and the longest one is 154 rolls, is the chance for a roll ending ever greater than 1/6? Youse guys with those billion-roll simulators, give it a whirl and let us know!

I know that if someone's been shooting for an hour, I'd be pressed to the table limit, then coining money hand over fist. Sure, when he craps out, I'll lose those table-max bets, but looking at the yellows in my rack will console me. Calling my bets off the roll before he craps out would be icing on the cake.