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October 10th, 2021 at 9:26:57 AM permalink
I am announcing my self-suspension with a term of 30 days for hijacking OD's thread on "60 wins in a row" with the post that now starts this thread. I had thought that the multiple posts by others mentioning "the 18yos in a row' claim had created an adequate precedent, but I humbly acknowledge that I was apparently wrong.

I regret that this forum is devolving into threads created by moderators with attention-grabbing titles about claims of statistically implausible events - thereby giving far more visibility to these claims than anybody had intended. Especially because the results seems to be a generally low-quality level of discussion.

I have slightly altered the title of this thread to make it clear that it was not created by the original poster (me.)

See you all in 30 days.
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unJon
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October 10th, 2021 at 9:37:07 AM permalink
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I am announcing my self-suspension with a term of 30 days for hijacking the OD's thread on "60 wins in a row" with the post that now starts this thread. I had thought that the multiple posts by others mentioning "the 18yos in a row' claim had created an adequate precedent, but I humbly acknowledge that I was apparently wrong.

I regret that this forum is devolving into threads created by moderators with attention-grabbing titles about claims of statistically implausible events - thereby giving far more visibility to these claims than anybody had intended. Especially because the results seems to be a generally low-quality level of discussion.

I have slightly altered the title of this thread to make it clear that it was not created by the original poster (me.)

See you all in 30 days.
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October 10th, 2021 at 9:50:05 AM permalink
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should you yourself believe?


I don't believe you (are still harassing Alan)

What are the odds against this kind of behavior existing?

I'm witnessing it, but I still don't believe it.
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I probably shouldn't have brought it up in the first place. I actually resistant doing so when Alan first chimed in. At some point, I was like screw this, someone who has made outrageous unbelievable claims(one that was debunked) showing 'support' for outrageous claim makers and wants us to keep an open mind or whatever.

Alan has accused me of trolling him. If that's the case, Alan has been trolling Advantage Players, mathematicians, and me personally for years.
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coachbelly
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October 10th, 2021 at 9:52:55 AM permalink
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Alan has accused me of trolling him. If that's the case, Alan has been trolling Advantage Players, mathematicians, and me personally for years.


Not sure why another member's poor behavior would justify yours, but are you confessing to trolling Alan?
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October 10th, 2021 at 10:08:18 AM permalink
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You are referring to the unshuffled cards, I believe?


That's right...imagine the mathsplaining of how that was impossible...imagine the snarky insults directed at the reporter.

Oh wait, you don't have to imagine that...you lived it and you're still living it.
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It has nothing to do with mathsplaining as a cause for the occurrence was identified.

You'll notice that this extremely unlikely event was documented, investigated and a cause was determined. That's a key component that seems to be missing from many other claims.

On the other hand, my defense of 18 Yo's has always been twofold:

A.) It's theoretically possible. (Which can be, "Mathsplained," if you were interested.)

AND:

B.) Given a few more rolls, you end up with a sequence of results that is every bit as unlikely as 18 Yo's, not only that, but it ALWAYS happens because it has to. If you have twenty rolls at all, then, by necessity, you have an extremely unlikely sequence of twenty results. That, by the way, is more of the, "Mathsplaining," that you seem to want to disregard.

My problem with Alan's story has always been that the most disciplined Craps players on the planet were playing that day, as he has stated that nobody bet it. That said, I'm not going to flatly call his claim untrue...because in order to be consistent...I care about whether or not I jknow something or do not know it, but that's definitely the toughest component for me to accept.
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October 10th, 2021 at 10:21:39 AM permalink
During a recent blackjack session I could see a Baccarat board from where I was playing because at that casino that day my private table was simply mixed in with the others in the high limit pit, just marked Reserved. I observed someone playing alone at the Bacc table cut a shoe where the Player kept running. I commented on that and kept playing my Blackjack. Later, I observed that the player had cut a new shoe and started anew. A few Players came out the gate on the new shoe. I said, Watch - two things are going to happen, the Player is going to run 8 times and that player there is going to free hand all of them.

Well, the Player did run 7 times (not 8), and the player at that table did not play even one of the hands. I had already observed that this player was really big on free hands and didn't play too many hands - would free hand request something like 80% of the hands coming out of the shoe.

At that point a couple of the dealers said that I should go over and start playing. I declined, and stuck to my Blackjack, but said

"Watch, that shoe is going to run BIG TIME player."

And it did, the Bank ran single only, followed by multiple Players, then single Bank, followed by many more Players. Player was running and continued to run something like 8:1 over Bank. Eventually, the pattern changed and the Bank ran twice only, then back to Player, which ran twice, and at that point I was done with my Blackjack session and left.

But the point being, that improbable events happen, and in that instance I could and even did predict what was going to happen, and yet the player at that table where the shoe was and did continue to run crazily in favor of the Player, mostly just sat there staring at the gift being presented.
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darkoz
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October 10th, 2021 at 10:28:05 AM permalink
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32 reds in a row at roulette. Saw it once and I was betting so definitely counted correct. Wasn't betting high because I figured the streak would end.

I don't believe you saw this on anything random.
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I witnessed and played the 32 red run at Ceasars Atlantic City, second floor, live roulette table.

This would be circa 2012.

Incidentally, my memory of it is that good because it was such a unique event in my experience.

Anything similarly unique like 18 yo's or some 60 winning hands of blackjack should have a similar recall for those who experienced it in my opinion
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It was probably SOME 32 reds in a row. I highly doubt you seen THAT SOME 24,000,000,000 to 1 shot and yet no one reported it but you.
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It was absolutely 32 straight reds in a row because I wagered after the first three reds with $5, kept wagering on red, doing a Fibonacci every two or three spins until I was betting $100 (21 in the Fibonacci but I decided to make it an even $100).

I was surprised when it went to 32 reds. (I wish I had made more money but kept saying to myself as soon as I raise my wager it was going to end and bam that streak kept going)

As to someone else needing to report it, based on what?

Tell me what are the odds that someone else who is also a member of WOV coincidentally was sitting at my table at Ceasars in AC the exact same morning I witnessed this and counted along with me? I'd say the odds of that are astronomically higher than 32 reds in a row.

As for someone at Ceasars noticing it, people who kept wagering on black and losing kept groaning but no one seemed to be keeping count except myself and mostly because I was doing the progressive Fibonacci.
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MDawg
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October 10th, 2021 at 10:32:22 AM permalink
I don't know why people just have to assume that reports of improbable events are inaccurate.

All sorts of improbable events have happened throughout history.

I myself observed 22 Players in a row, at Baccarat, which is certainly less improbable than 32 Reds in a row at Roulette. By the way, DarkOz, was it a single or double 0 wheel?
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October 10th, 2021 at 10:34:35 AM permalink
By 2014 I had given up streak betting and was fully into my AP but when I was given a lousy use it all at once $75 freebet twice a week I decided to do that same streak following.

I remember the first three $75 freebets were lost in the very first spin.

But the fourth one (so literally two weeks and my fourth trip) I hit a streak that lasted 16 or 17 spins. This time I was ballsy and made a few grand.

I reported it on this forum right here. https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/trip-reports/18987-caesars-ac-trip-report/
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AlanMendelson
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October 10th, 2021 at 10:35:16 AM permalink
Wizard be sure to use MY PHOTOS of throwing two dice at Red Rock with the dice coming to rest STACKED. Not only did I give you the dates and times of the event but I also gave you the names of the boxmen.

But wait, there's more!

I sent you a THIRD PHOTO of two dice stacked thrown by another player AGAIN with names, date, time for you to verify.

Now what are the chances ONE SHOOTER could do that twice AND have the confirmation data and photo and then that same player is at the table when A DIFFERENT SHOOTER does it also and again there are photos and supporting data??

What are the odds?

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