captain597
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October 11th, 2018 at 1:42:47 PM permalink
I'm new to the forum, and to playing craps. I know this may be a stupid question... But, is it possible to bet the Pass Line and Don't Pass Line on the come out roll, and once a number is established, put the same odds bet (ex. $20) on each ? Let say 4 is the number, wouldn't you win $40 dollars on the Pass odds if the 4 hit and $10 on the Don't Pass odds if the seven hit ?
ThatDonGuy
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October 11th, 2018 at 5:40:15 PM permalink
I assume so (although I am under the impression that some casinos don't allow this, because they think you're doing it just for the comps).
Keep in mind that if a 7 is rolled, your pass and don't pass bets cancel each other out, and while you win $10 on your DP odds, you lose the $20 on your Pass odds, so you lose $10 overall. Yes, you do win $20 overall if you make the 4, but missing a 4 is twice as likely as making it.
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October 11th, 2018 at 6:17:49 PM permalink
Quote: captain597

I'm new to the forum, and to playing craps. I know this may be a stupid question... But, is it possible to bet the Pass Line and Don't Pass Line on the come out roll, and once a number is established, put the same odds bet (ex. $20) on each ? Let say 4 is the number, wouldn't you win $40 dollars on the Pass odds if the 4 hit and $10 on the Don't Pass odds if the seven hit ?



According to my Craps App, you cannot play both Don't Pass and Pass line at the same time IIRC. ;)
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unJon
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October 11th, 2018 at 6:18:08 PM permalink
Quote: captain597

I'm new to the forum, and to playing craps. I know this may be a stupid question... But, is it possible to bet the Pass Line and Don't Pass Line on the come out roll, and once a number is established, put the same odds bet (ex. $20) on each ? Let say 4 is the number, wouldn't you win $40 dollars on the Pass odds if the 4 hit and $10 on the Don't Pass odds if the seven hit ?


What Don said. If you want to be flat you would put $30 odds on the 4 and $60 odds on donít 4. You push all the time unless a twelve is rolled on the come out bet (which would lose the pass line and push the Donít Pass).

Casinos will let you do this for the most part (Iím told) but rate you at $0 for no comps. Makes no sense to me, I would rate you as a $20 bettor (count both PL and DP and ignore odds).
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captain597
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October 11th, 2018 at 7:18:03 PM permalink
unJon, what would the results be if you put $30 odds on the 4 AND $30 odds on the don't 4. I understand you would win a total of $90 dollars for the 4, but what about the don't 4, wouldn't that be $45 ? So, wouldn't that be a net gain of $60 on the 4, and $15 on the don't 4 if either one of them hit, right ? I'm so confused, I'm sorry, lol.
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October 11th, 2018 at 7:23:22 PM permalink
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unJon, what would the results be if you put $30 odds on the 4 AND $30 odds on the don't 4. I understand you would win a total of $90 dollars for the 4, but what about the don't 4, wouldn't that be $45 ? So, wouldn't that be a net gain of $60 on the 4, and $15 on the don't 4 if either one of them hit, right ? I'm so confused, I'm sorry, lol.



$30 odds on 4 pays $60. $30 odds on donít 4 pays $15.

If 4 hits you win $30 (60 minus 30). If 7 hits you lose $15 (15 minus 30).

Iím ignoring your non odds bets because they cancel out after the come out.

Make sense?
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captain597
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October 11th, 2018 at 7:47:11 PM permalink
Starting to make sense .. I totally get the Pass Bet .... I think the Don't Pass is kind of confusing me ... In reference to this: "If 7 hits you lose $15 (15 minus 30)" it's the 15 minus 30, where are those numbers coming from ? Is that $15 payout at 1:2 odds minus $30 odds that were on the Pass Line ?
unJon
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October 11th, 2018 at 8:32:41 PM permalink
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Starting to make sense .. I totally get the Pass Bet .... I think the Don't Pass is kind of confusing me ... In reference to this: "If 7 hits you lose $15 (15 minus 30)" it's the 15 minus 30, where are those numbers coming from ? Is that $15 payout at 1:2 odds minus $30 odds that were on the Pass Line ?

Yes thatís right. You lose your $30 pass line odds and you only win $15 based on your donít pass odds.

You started with $60. Put $30 on PL odds and lose it. Put $30 on DP odds and win $15 so end up with $45. Down $15.
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