Did the dealer try to cheat me???
May 2nd, 2017 at 11:14:57 AM
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I was playing in Louisiana about 2 weeks ago, and placed a $78 Lay bet on both the 4 and 10. I usually have to drop a dollar for each bet (2 total). Didn't have a problem until shift change.
The dealers proceeds to tell me that because the bets collectively payout to 68. I need to give 3 dollars (basically 1 dollar per 20 paid out) for the bets.
I was under the impression that each bet was seperate. I told him "each bet is seperate, why am I being charged Collectively to two seperate bets?"
Was the dealer correct???
I hope the language is OK to understand..
The dealers proceeds to tell me that because the bets collectively payout to 68. I need to give 3 dollars (basically 1 dollar per 20 paid out) for the bets.
I was under the impression that each bet was seperate. I told him "each bet is seperate, why am I being charged Collectively to two seperate bets?"
Was the dealer correct???
I hope the language is OK to understand..
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May 2nd, 2017 at 12:02:27 PM
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Makes sense to me, and I agree that they are separate bets and should be charged separately as thus.
What happened after you pointed out they're separate bets and you have only been charged $1 each up until now?
*disclaimer: I'm not a craps expert as I rarely play craps =P.
What happened after you pointed out they're separate bets and you have only been charged $1 each up until now?
*disclaimer: I'm not a craps expert as I rarely play craps =P.
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May 2nd, 2017 at 12:10:25 PM
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mebrkmd
May 2nd, 2017 at 12:16:12 PM
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You had $78 in unseparated "action to win," on which a $3.90 vig is due, and on which paying a $3.00 vig is actually a discount from paying $a 4.00 vig, rounded. So, no, I do not think you were cheated, considering you still underpaid the full vig on your action.
True, most places charge the vig per bet, not consolidated.
Did you also ask the floor supervision for their explanation on this, and at the time, in addition to this forum? They were the ones running the game.
True, most places charge the vig per bet, not consolidated.
Did you also ask the floor supervision for their explanation on this, and at the time, in addition to this forum? They were the ones running the game.
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May 2nd, 2017 at 12:22:16 PM
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I didn't speak to the floor... After our conversation I politely pulled my bets and moved to another table, which went back to the rate I was receiving... thanks for the response
"I'm a DO'er and you my friend, are a Don'ter"
-Mark Walberg
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May 2nd, 2017 at 12:23:48 PM
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Quote: RomesMakes sense to me, and I agree that they are separate bets and should be charged separately as thus.
What happened after you pointed out they're separate bets and you have only been charged $1 each up until now?
*disclaimer: I'm not a craps expert as I rarely play craps =P.
He told me that all the other dealers were doing it incorrectly. And yes prior to this incident, that was the price of the lay on the dont's
"I'm a DO'er and you my friend, are a Don'ter"
-Mark Walberg
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May 3rd, 2017 at 12:52:42 AM
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Most places I have worked will charge you one dollar each if there is a roll that occurs in between the 2 bets being made, but if you make them at the same time you pay the full vig.
Buy the 4 and 10 for $50 each and they will charge you $5. Buy them separately and only pay $4.
Depends on where you play and how the staff interprets the rules.
YMMV
Buy the 4 and 10 for $50 each and they will charge you $5. Buy them separately and only pay $4.
Depends on where you play and how the staff interprets the rules.
YMMV
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May 3rd, 2017 at 1:03:24 AM
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As a dealer, I would have charged $2 per bet ($78 pays $39), or $4 total. Don't unnecessarily make the game tougher for the dealers. If you were doing the same thing for a long time, it's very possible that you'd get "no-betted" plenty of times and when you did win, chips thrown back at your direction.
May 3rd, 2017 at 2:15:00 AM
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Quite often there are some minor opportunities to save a dollar here and there, from taking advantage of favorable or forgiven rounding - depending upon how the bets were set up and made.
In many cases it is the house forgiving a dollar and letting it slide, just for ease of dealing, simplicity, and good gesture.
Deliberately trying to mix such bets together for an extra dollar's advantage, and occasionally being denied this is not the "dealer cheating me." So...
Give it a shot: if they say yes, then okay, and if not, then add the dollar vig and be okay with that, too.
In many cases it is the house forgiving a dollar and letting it slide, just for ease of dealing, simplicity, and good gesture.
Deliberately trying to mix such bets together for an extra dollar's advantage, and occasionally being denied this is not the "dealer cheating me." So...
Give it a shot: if they say yes, then okay, and if not, then add the dollar vig and be okay with that, too.
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May 3rd, 2017 at 8:21:22 AM
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I was at a table when a player bought the 4 & 10 for $25 each, plus had a variety of other bets out there. Every roll that he won something, he would press one or the other $25, adding the $1 vig.
This also happened when he went from $75 to $100.
At that time I looked at him and said, "I see what you're doing there."
He started to laugh and then the dealer said, "We know what he's doing too, but it's not worth arguing about."
So then I said to him, "Congratulations, you've beaten the casino at their own game, for a whole buck. Woo hoo!"
He laughed and said, "One more roll and it'll be TWO bucks!"
Bottom line: Your mileage may vary. The dealer wasn't cheating. Just lazy.
This also happened when he went from $75 to $100.
At that time I looked at him and said, "I see what you're doing there."
He started to laugh and then the dealer said, "We know what he's doing too, but it's not worth arguing about."
So then I said to him, "Congratulations, you've beaten the casino at their own game, for a whole buck. Woo hoo!"
He laughed and said, "One more roll and it'll be TWO bucks!"
Bottom line: Your mileage may vary. The dealer wasn't cheating. Just lazy.
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May 3rd, 2017 at 8:55:04 AM
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That sort of arbitrary and capricious interpretation is annoying to me. I would certainly question the Boxman for an immediate ruling. Quite frankly, I know some casinos have special deals on certain bets but that is a different matter than some arbitrary and capricious interpretation by a certain craps crew.Quote: FCBLComishDepends on where you play and how the staff interprets the rules.
May 3rd, 2017 at 11:10:12 AM
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On this, the casino makes the call up to the full 5% vig, yet it is also best to avoid losing a customer, unless more trouble than he's worth.
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May 3rd, 2017 at 11:12:01 AM
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Quote: DJTeddyBear
Bottom line: Your mileage may vary. The dealer wasn't cheating. Just lazy.
Again, just avoiding a table skirmish.
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May 3rd, 2017 at 1:50:56 PM
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Do the Dealers split the bet in two and lay them above the 4&10 boxes, or do they keep them together?
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May 3rd, 2017 at 3:27:25 PM
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I think I know what you're suggesting. $100 given as $50 each on 4/10 are absolutely placed separately. But purchased together, they should charge $5 vig.Quote: AyecarumbaDo the Dealers split the bet in two and lay them above the 4&10 boxes, or do they keep them together?
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May 3rd, 2017 at 5:41:24 PM
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Quote: DJTeddyBearI think I know what you're suggesting. $100 given as $50 each on 4/10 are absolutely placed separately. But purchased together, they should charge $5 vig.
On a lay bet, vig is determined by how much the player stands to win. Since each would pay $25, each would have a $1 vig. Or total, they pay $50, for $2 vig.
May 7th, 2017 at 12:25:13 PM
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Thanks for all the info guys... you pretty much hit it dead in the nail.
"I'm a DO'er and you my friend, are a Don'ter"
-Mark Walberg
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