Craps table bonus bet odds??

Hi. Last month I went into a smaller casino and found their craps table was closed. They did, however, happen to have a large "craps machine" that was basically 6 seats with screens for betting, and a large dome that contained 2 large dice that would roll when the platform they were on started vibrating.

After 3 visits, I started playing a bonus bet. How it worked is that you had to hit 6 numbers (4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10), then the point again. So, say the come-out roll was a 4 - to win, you'd have to hit the other numbers, then a 4 to win the top prize (1,000 to 1). You could hit the numbers in any order, but if you hit a number twice, or if you threw anything else (2, 3, 7, 11, 12) the bonus bet would be over. I decided to give it a shot, and about 30 minutes later I won $5,000 on a $5 bet.

My question is, what are the odds or chances of actually winning the bonus bet like that? Hitting all 6 required numbers within 6 rolls after the come-out. I imagine the chances of that happening are one in a few thousand, but I'm useless when it comes to anything beyond basic math.

Probably similar to 18.... what nevermind.

So this is basically a firebet. Are you saying if the point is a 6 and there is a 3 then the bonus bet is over, even though it was not a seven out? If so then this has got to be the worst bet in the house.

Yes, if you don't hit any of the required numbers, or if you hit a number twice, then the bet is over.

Do you know the odds or chances to hit all 6? That's all I'm trying to figure out. I've already done well with it.

Does it pay for hitting fewer numbers in a row? Or is it an all or nothing bet?

If the point is, say, 6, same thing applies? You must hit the other 5 numbers (4,5,8,9,10) first and then 6?

When is the bet placed? During the come out roll? Do you know what the bet was called?

Yes, it pays for hitting fewer numbers. 5 numbers would pay 150 to 1, even if the bet ended. 4 paid less, and 3 barely paid anything.

To win the main prize, 1,000 to 1, yes, you'd hit the other 5 numbers then the point.

The bet is placed before the come-out roll. I can't remember the name of the bet - something like "six-shooter bonus" or the like.

I'm still trying to figure out what the chances are of hitting those 5 numbers and the point again all in a row.

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Yes, it pays for hitting fewer numbers. 5 numbers would pay 150 to 1, even if the bet ended. 4 paid less, and 3 barely paid anything.

To win the main prize, 1,000 to 1, yes, you'd hit the other 5 numbers then the point.

The bet is placed before the come-out roll. I can't remember the name of the bet - something like "six-shooter bonus" or the like.

I'm still trying to figure out what the chances are of hitting those 5 numbers and the point again all in a row.

Even if you dodge the 2-3-7-11-12 all those times, it seems more likely than not that the point would change in the course of throwing all those other numbers. You have to hit the current point after you've got all 6 numbers marked, then, no matter how many times it might have changed during the hand?

Babs, I'm pretty sure that you'd lose if you hit the point early... tantamount to hitting the same number twice.

Nobody has answered your question because you did not give us a complete set of rules and it probably requires a lot of time commitment. People get paid for this stuff. With that said, I think that this would require a simulation or a lot of math by hand. There are a limited number of win scenarios (200 maybe?) with any other sequence of six rolls (after setting the point) losing. I mean, if I understand this correctly, you have to hit all 5 other "numbers" then the point... any other situation and the bet loses.

Hopefully someone gets interested in this. I'll keep thinking about it. This has got to be worse than the firebet, right?

Quote: heyimjason

Hi. Last month I went into a smaller casino and found their craps table was closed. They did, however, happen to have a large "craps machine" that was basically 6 seats with screens for betting, and a large dome that contained 2 large dice that would roll when the platform they were on started vibrating.

This sounds like the interblock "organic craps" I have seen and played a few times.
There were 3 dice in the shaker I do remember.
so with 2 dice maybe it is another game totally...

2 dice slot is the shoot-to-win craps and that is all over Vegas but I have yet to see the side bet.

The bet is called Lucky Shooter (Great name for a XXX rated flick) from Interblock's site

This is what I found last year when it was warmer outside

"The Lucky Shooter is a side bet for Craps that will improve the Hold on the game.
The Side Bet can be made before each new “Come Out” roll.

The object
of the Lucky Shooter Side Bet is to first establish a Point,
then roll the 5 other Box Numbers (4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10 excluding the Initial Point) in any order
during the next 5 rolls,
and then roll the “Initial Point” on the 6th roll.

Once one of the “5 other Box Numbers” is rolled it cannot be rolled again.

If a 7 or 11 is rolled on the Come Out Roll, the game ends and the bet remains working for the next Come Out roll.
If a 2, 3 or 12 is rolled on the Come Out Roll,
the game ends and the bet loses.

If a point is established on the Come Out Roll, the game ends when Any Number other than one of the remaining (not already rolled) “5 other Box Numbers” is rolled.
If all “5 other Box Numbers” are rolled, then the game ends after the 6th and final roll. The Player has a chance to win up to 1000 to 1."

Quote: heyimjason

My question is, what are the odds or chances of actually winning the bonus bet like that?
Hitting all 6 required numbers within 6 rolls after the come-out.

I get (with simple multiply and adding in a 207x207 transition matrix in old Excel 2007) about 1 in 7,558.27
for what I call the Lucky6

for some to see


I B in Palm Desert (just next to Palm Springs)
for the long weekend and I plan on visiting Fantasy Springs Casino in Indio (plug) as they told me they have the bet there.

Hope it is the 1000 for 1 as I have seen the 500 for 1 paytable too.
I B very lucky this year (so far so goooooooood)
and I should hit that Lucky6 after dinner and dancing and B4 sex.

sounds like you had fun getting lucky!
Sally

I get winning the 6-number bet 1 time in 7558.272

Yes, that's the game I was talking about, Sally! So that $5,000 hit I got was pretty damn lucky. Btw - it was a 2 dice game.

Not sure how that compares to table craps and the fire bet, but I'll have to look into it and figure out what I wanna stick with in the future. It was nice being able to set my own bets without shouting, or having to second guess a new dealer's math, but if the side bet odds are better on the table, I might have to stick with that.

Quote: heyimjason

Yes, that's the game I was talking about, Sally! So that $5,000 hit I got was pretty damn lucky. Btw - it was a 2 dice game.

Not sure how that compares to table craps and the fire bet, but I'll have to look into it and figure out what I wanna stick with in the future. It was nice being able to set my own bets without shouting, or having to second guess a new dealer's math, but if the side bet odds are better on the table, I might have to stick with that.

The only times I ever played bubble craps, I got a little frustrated. I'd be pressing the wrong thing on the touch screen and it would cost me money.

I guess I would be ready to believe I'd get more used to it, but I found it especially irritating that the machine would constantly be turning off my free odds bets, rightside and darkside both, and sometimes I'd miss that and not get them turned back on, or hit the wrong space on the screen trying to. Concluding that it just sucks was pretty easy.

The side bets at a real table are probably going to be about the same house edge. But that means you should only play them either place if you think the thrill of winning is worth the considerable cost. For most of us, a dollar or two on average out of each $10 bet takes the thrill right out.

Quote: heyimjason

Yes, that's the game I was talking about, Sally! So that $5,000 hit I got was pretty damn lucky. Btw - it was a 2 dice game.

At Fantasy Springs Casino in Indio (as of 4am on 2/15/2015)
they changed the game from last year when it had 3 dice, one was a black die and no pips, and the terminals were 8 and one could also play Roulette on the same terminal.
They changed it to 6 terminals and just 2 dice (is that legal in CA ??)
and that seemed odd to lower the number of possible players.

It was 1000 for 1 for the Lucky6
I hit the Lucky4 at 20 for 1 with $10 both times
but had to leave early as the terminal I was playing at locked-up-and-stopped-working
bummer
But Obama is in town so
off to see the Wizard
as the song goes

It was fun to play but I still say the terminal is still too tiny for many and especially those with fat fingers like ME.

Quote: heyimjason

It was nice being able to set my own bets without shouting, or having to second guess a new dealer's math, but if the side bet odds are better on the table, I might have to stick with that.

I have never seen the Lucky Shooter bet on any craps table but have not been to all craps tables in the world, I think no one has... yet.

It was fun while it lasted
both times I hit the Lucky4 the 5th number had to be a 4 and the point both times was the 10.

lots of fun and luck
the hit rate seems nice for a side bet

only time will tell (IF we are all traveling at the same speed of course)
Sally