MrV
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October 2nd, 2015 at 6:44:12 PM permalink
Quote: Face

The instant I broke out and got independent, we nabbed a 30yr long fraud totaling in the millions. Guess who were the perpetrators?



The dealers.

I've read that the eye watches the foxes as much as it does the chickens.
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ontariodealer
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October 2nd, 2015 at 7:43:23 PM permalink
shush.
get second you pig
Dodsferd
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October 2nd, 2015 at 9:21:01 PM permalink
Quote: MrV

The dealers.

I've read that the eye watches the foxes as much as it does the chickens.



More so than the chickens.
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NokTang
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October 2nd, 2015 at 9:38:40 PM permalink
Quote: Wingnut

I have personally seen harassment of unskilled dicesetters,



A distinction without a difference. However, let's don't get off topic.
NokTang
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October 2nd, 2015 at 9:44:35 PM permalink
Quote: Wingnut

ridicule of tokes that don't meet their expectation



That has only happened to me at Caesars Palace. First the dealer asked for a toke, claiming/stating I was making so much money it wasn't fair not to include them. Then when I added some five dollar chips to a couple of my place bets, he started the ridicule. I told him in no uncertain language to "fuck off" and took the bets down along with the tokes and odds on my passline bet. I then some how placed a lay bet on the point established(I was quick in math back then), waited for the result, and walked away from said table with my winnings.

So, as mentioned, the stickman is also a "dealer" and most likely they rotate anyhow so when a situation presents itself, the pair along with the pair of players hit them and walked away, night after night, week after week, year after year. Discipline is the key to such a crime. Don't get greedy.
Zer0
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October 3rd, 2015 at 6:40:50 PM permalink
God, if I ever go to Vegas I know where I'm NOT going! Our casinos aren't that big here in St. Louis but I've never had a problem with the staff anywhere! I probably won't be making a trip like Vegas any time soon but if I do I sure won't be going anywhere that the staff sucks this bad, especially considering somebody says the poker room is shitty. Poker and craps are basically all I do too.
DrawingDead
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October 3rd, 2015 at 9:51:18 PM permalink
Quote: Zer0

...especially considering somebody says the poker room is shitty. Poker and craps are basically all I do too.

Since I'm the 'someone' who said that here, in fairness I should give you a little more info on that for balance after ragging on them. The physical arrangements of the room are exceptionally cramped compared to other Las Vegas area poker rooms, and the floor staff has had a reputation for an "attitude." There have been long threads on some local poker player discussion boards for years with gripes about that stuff.

But, on the other hand... It depends on what is most important to you. And that might vary depending on why you are playing. And, I know there have been some staff changes, and some of the legendary arrogance towards players might possibly have moderated (if it isn't something infectious permanently in the air or water of the joint that made them that way - I'm not sure about that point).

It is also still one of the most consistently busy big rooms with the widest range of stakes and structures for cash games, and I think by anyone's definition is still one of the several premier rooms among the nearly 50 or so in the area for those reasons, along with Aria and Venetian, and possibly to a lesser extent Wynn. So if you want to play something other than just the plain vanilla 1/2NL that's more common on the Strip than Starbucks, or 2/5NL which is also pretty widely available on-Strip, and/or game selection among many tables of your chosen game type is your priority, then the historically snooty and cramped "B" might still belong near the top of your list. For other choices at the top of the local poker food chain, Aria has nearly as much consistent diversity of games available among NLHE (but not LHE) in a comfortable environment with mostly enthusiastic attentive staff, Venetian does the biggest volume of business of anyone and is very spacious and comfortable for playing long sessions but doesn't have quite the same wide range of games as those, and Wynn is also a significant room but not quite as major as those.

Quite a larger number of sportsbooks (but not all) do tend to get a general reputation among many for snarling staff who hate everybody, but that general statement isn't usually true of most Las Vegas poker rooms at all in my experience, so if comfort and a welcoming attitude is high on your list for poker rooms it isn't hard to find that at all. And can even be found among the books if you know which is what or are willing to just do some walking around to take your business a little ways down the boulevard or across the street 'till you find one or two that suit you.
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AcesAndEights
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October 4th, 2015 at 4:55:06 PM permalink
Quote: wilbsmitt

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Quote: Romes

I'm confused as to how the box boss didn't catch this. "






I haven't seen a box person at a strip craps table in years. Dealers now perform the traditional roles of the box person with the pit occasionally helping out.

I wonder if the Belagio savings in not employing a box exceed what the stolen $ were.


It's funny you say this, because in my memory, Bellagio is one of the last casinos to still have an explicit box man at each table. I know exactly the setup you're describing and it's common at CET properties (especially the lower-level ones like Bally's and Flamingo). But I don't recall it at Bellagio.
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MrV
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October 4th, 2015 at 8:47:34 PM permalink
They has a boxman at the Bellagion tables.

Doing it up old school: formal, stiff, cliquish.
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