Quote: richbailey86So i practiced on the wizards craps game as follows:
Make a pass bet
If point established
Make a come bet
Once i have a pass and come bet
Make 1 field bet
Did this for an hour and bankroll looked good
Rich, be advised that the Wizard's craps game features a 3:1 payout on the 12 for a 2.78% house edge on the field bet. You might want to check the tables before you place a field bet because many properties offer only 2:1 payouts on the 2 & 12. This will double the house edge to 5.56%. The way to check is to look at the numbers on field bet layout on the table itself. The 2 and the 12 at the ends of the line of numbers will be circled with a notation above (or possibly below). If above the 12 (sometimes, but rarely, it will be above the 2 instead) the notation reads "Pays Triple," then the bet will have the 2.78% edge. If both notations say "Pays Double," it is the 5.56% edge variety.
Now, despite what my sig may imply, I have never been to AC, but there are several AC guys (& gals) on the forum. Some of them might be able to tell you which variety of field bet payouts are available at which casinos. Unfortunately, my gut tells me that the two properties you mentioned (both owned by Caeser's Entertainment -- referred to by the acronym "CET" often on this site) will have the stingy 5.56% payout. CET properties are often notorious for offering unfavorable (for the player) rules on their games.
Now, since I have no direct knowledge, I could very well be wrong about this. Like I stated above, you may want to see if some of the AC craps players on the forum can tell you which casinos have the lower edge field bets.
Quote: JoemanRich, be advised that the Wizard's craps game features a 3:1 payout on the 12 for a 2.78% house edge on the field bet. You might want to check the tables before you place a field bet because many properties offer only 2:1 payouts on the 2 & 12. This will double the house edge to 5.56%. The way to check is to look at the numbers on field bet layout on the table itself. The 2 and the 12 at the ends of the line of numbers will be circled with a notation above (or possibly below). If above the 12 (sometimes, but rarely, it will be above the 2 instead) the notation reads "Pays Triple," then the bet will have the 2.78% edge. If both notations say "Pays Double," it is the 5.56% edge variety.
Now, despite what my sig may imply, I have never been to AC, but there are several AC guys (& gals) on the forum. Some of them might be able to tell you which variety of field bet payouts are available at which casinos. Unfortunately, my gut tells me that the two properties you mentioned (both owned by Caeser's Entertainment -- referred to by the acronym "CET" often on this site) will have the stingy 5.56% payout. CET properties are often notorious for offering unfavorable (for the player) rules on their games.
Now, since I have no direct knowledge, I could very well be wrong about this. Like I stated above, you may want to see if some of the AC craps players on the forum can tell you which casinos have the lower edge field bets.
Thanks
My local bubble craps pays triple on the 2 and 12 which is nice
I am a newbie here and late to the party when contributing to your question but here goes. The odds bet has 0% HE. Some people advocate maxing out on the odds bet to decrease your overall HE. The problem with this approach is that you are exposing more money to the HE. For instance, if you bet $5 pass line, in the long run you expect to lose $.07 (1.4% of $5). If you add double odds ($10), you decrease the overall HE to 0.572% but your loss would be $0.086 (0.572% of $15). Your fluctuation would be greater as your win/loss would be greater. If you have the bank roll and can withstand the ups and downs, this would be a good way to play craps.
To answer your question as to if there is a time in which you should or should not take or lay odds, it depends on your bank roll, on if you are a pure math guy or a guy who sometimes rely on his intuition, on the feel of the table (hot, cold, choppy). Personally i like 3-4-5 odds (since my bank roll is ok for it) because I have a better chance of hitting the 6/8>5/9>4/10 so I bet more on those numbers.
TRUE and only true if the amount bet is a proper unit of the payout.Quote: whodatThe odds bet has 0% HE.
TRUEQuote: whodatSome people advocate maxing out on the odds bet to decrease your overall HE.
the combined HE
FALSEQuote: whodatThe problem with this approach is that you are exposing more money to the HE.
TRUE per betQuote: whodatFor instance, if you bet $5 pass line, in the long run you expect to lose $.07 (1.4% of $5).
average bet = $5
FALSEQuote: whodatIf you add double odds ($10), you decrease the overall HE to 0.572% but your loss would be $0.086 (0.572% of $15).
the avg bet does not equal $15
this is known as an Enron Accounting method (from my understanding)
please re-calculate your average bet for $5/$10 odds
MAYbe this can help
1/3 $5 is resolved
2/3 $15 is resolved
math required
i show the combined HE (for 2x odds) is simply -7/495 * 1/(2 1/3) = -7/1155
fyi: 1/(2 1/3) = 1/(7/3)
i think we are on the same page
lots and lots of choices thereQuote: whodatTo answer your question as to if there is a time in which you should or should not take or lay odds, it
1) depends on your bank roll,
2) on if you are a pure math guy
3) or a guy who sometimes rely on his intuition,
4) on the feel of the table (hot, cold, choppy).
btw, a guy's intuition, haha and yuk, stay with a women's - they rule at craps
can one choose more than one from your list?
like 4C2
or
4P2
because for some, order matters
and for others
they do not really care about the order of this stuff
but the 6 and 8 odds only pays 6 to 5Quote: whodatPersonally i like 3-4-5 odds (since my bank roll is ok for it) because
I have a better chance of hitting the 6/8>5/9>4/10 so I bet more on those numbers.
and the 4&10, while their frequency is less that the 6&8, they pay more than the 6&8 at 2 to 1
i say,imo, bet more on the numbers that pay more
wait
did i say that? Oh
Oh yes, I am a Lay bet expert but that is a different animal than any line bet ever will B
OP should be confused by now or even more ready to hit the craps tables
it will be his party
you B luckyQuote: richbailey86My local bubble craps pays triple on the 2 and 12 which is nice
is that the 3 dice interblock organic craps machine?
here in CA they pay 2x on the 2 and 3x on the 12
i do not recall seeing organic craps in Las Vegas but the "shoot to win" craps machines
can be heard all over town!
Quote: mustangsallyyou B lucky
is that the 3 dice interblock organic craps machine?
here in CA they pay 2x on the 2 and 3x on the 12
i do not recall seeing organic craps in Las Vegas but the "shoot to win" craps machines
can be heard all over town!
hmmmm im not sure if interblock but i think it is
yea played martingale on it with $15, field only...won $200
dumb move on my part but man field was hot for my time there
when ya have drinks in ya ya do dumb thangs
Quote: richbailey86My local bubble craps pays triple on the 2 and 12 which is nice
IS THIS TRUE!!??? triple on BOTH the 2 & 12?? I have been searching in vain for the rumored availability of this free (no vig) bet...WHERE is this "local bubble craps" might i ask??!
tom "home runs are often boring" p
Quote: betwthelinesIS THIS TRUE!!??? triple on BOTH the 2 & 12?? I have been searching in vain for the rumored availability of this free (no vig) bet...WHERE is this "local bubble craps" might i ask??!
tom "home runs are often boring" p
I might be wrong. Sorry. Just on the 12 i believe
Yes just the 12 i checked a pic i took. Sorry
Double on 2 triple on 12
Quote: richbailey86I might be wrong. Sorry. Just on the 12 i believe
Yes just the 12 i checked a pic i took. Sorry
Double on 2 triple on 12
thanks for checking...it's an oft alleged rumor...have posted inquiries on this and other forums looking for it. no luck. i have called to a couple of different casinos (in the albuquerque area, which is in fact a hotbed for free buys on the 4 & 10) and they claimed that they USED TO have it but no longer offer it...still looking...tom "home runs are often boring" p