Newbie screws up good roll!
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May 3rd, 2015 at 12:51:34 AM
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Ever had this happen to you? Started out with just a passline bet and a $12 6. Shooter was rolling great, I got my 6 from $12 all the way to $60, I didn't even have a 5 at the start of the roll but I had a $15 come bet with $70 odds. I had my 9 pressed and 4 at $20 and 8 was the point.
This guy comes up to the table and asks me what the point is. Obviously he's a newbie since he could have seen that 8 was the point. I said "8", so he proceeds to put this giant stack of red chips all on the passline and he does it right after the shooter throws the dice. As he puts the big stack of red, the dice smashes into his chips, bounces off the chips and it's a 7 totally screwing up the roll.
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This guy comes up to the table and asks me what the point is. Obviously he's a newbie since he could have seen that 8 was the point. I said "8", so he proceeds to put this giant stack of red chips all on the passline and he does it right after the shooter throws the dice. As he puts the big stack of red, the dice smashes into his chips, bounces off the chips and it's a 7 totally screwing up the roll.
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May 3rd, 2015 at 2:55:06 AM
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Embarrassing post.
May 3rd, 2015 at 3:15:35 AM
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So the shooter is on a great roll but you only got your $12 six pressed to $60?
IMO, if you don't have black chips on the table by the end of a great roll, you ain't playing the right way. [Then again, that's my opinion.]
But more importantly:
^ THIS
IMO, if you don't have black chips on the table by the end of a great roll, you ain't playing the right way. [Then again, that's my opinion.]
But more importantly:
Quote: AussieEmbarrassing post.
^ THIS
May 3rd, 2015 at 3:38:57 AM
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Dice hitting newbies chips automatically causes a 7?
I always thought the odds remained the same no matter what.
Perhaps next time the vip guys that you don't like are playing. You should do what that newbie did, but you should also bet any seven.
I always thought the odds remained the same no matter what.
Perhaps next time the vip guys that you don't like are playing. You should do what that newbie did, but you should also bet any seven.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
May 3rd, 2015 at 4:40:15 AM
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Quote: RSSo the shooter is on a great roll but you only got your $12 six pressed to $60?
IMO, if you don't have black chips on the table by the end of a great roll, you ain't playing the right way. [Then again, that's my opinion.]
But more importantly:
^ THIS
yup, Embarrassing post.
Random is random.
and press 50%!
so if $12 6/8, then $18, 24,36,54, etc
NEVER place 5/9. awful house edge compared to 6/8 and even buying the 4/10 ($25).
Craps is paradise (Pair of dice).
Lets hear it for the SpeedCount Mathletes :)
May 3rd, 2015 at 5:37:10 AM
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Quote: AussieEmbarrassing post.
<emphatic nod>
If the dice had hit the newbie and turned up 8, we'd never hear about it in a million years.
Donald Trump is a fucking criminal
May 3rd, 2015 at 6:19:36 AM
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My experience would dictate that if the dice did not hit the wall on the end it would be a dead roll and done over.
May 3rd, 2015 at 6:29:10 AM
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He was more of a dumbass for betting the 8 on the passline after the point was established than by making the late bet. 6:5 dog bet that pays even money? Yes, please, give me some of that action!
"Dice, verily, are armed with goads and driving-hooks, deceiving and tormenting, causing grievous woe." -Rig Veda 10.34.4
May 3rd, 2015 at 6:43:15 AM
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Quote: guitarmandp... so he proceeds to put this giant stack of red chips all on the passline and he does it right after the shooter throws the dice.
A Pass Line player with multiple bets working, kept doing that on every roll when I was shooting from the Don'ts
The Stick and the dealers kept cautioning "Dice are out", "Watch your hands", but he didn't care.
Then, just as I started my backswing, I saw him trying to add chips to his Pass Line odds bet.
So, I deliberately let them fly low down the middle, and hit his hands.
I figured, maybe then he'd get the message.
It worked better than expected.
"Seven"
He looked up at his dealer as if to say "What happened?" and the dealer said one more time "Watch your hands" as he scooped away his chips.
May 3rd, 2015 at 7:01:59 AM
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Quote: bacfavoriteMy experience would dictate that if the dice did not hit the wall on the end it would be a dead roll and done over.
Your experience seems much different than my own personal experience and also what others express here. The only time I have seen a roll declared as "no roll" for being short is if it lands somewhere on the table where a roll is disallowed automatically (the bank, for instance) OR if the player has been warned repeatedly about short tosses.
I've never seen them call "no roll" just because of a chip obstruction.
You seem to take a familiar tactic of going against the common experiences of the board...hmmm...I wonder if you are someone who we've seen before...
Any bets on that one?
May 3rd, 2015 at 7:55:01 AM
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You could have steered him to the Big 6/Big 8.
It would have been out of the dice path!
It would have been out of the dice path!
I don't know everything but I know a lot.
May 3rd, 2015 at 8:50:17 AM
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Sure we would have, however they would have said how good would be at DI if they didn't have hit the pyramids on the back wall.Quote: Nareed<emphatic nod>
If the dice had hit the newbie and turned up 8, we'd never hear about it in a million years.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
May 3rd, 2015 at 10:33:28 AM
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What are the odds?Quote: RonCYou seem to take a familiar tactic of going against the common experiences of the board...hmmm...I wonder if you are someone who we've seen before... Any bets on that one?
May 3rd, 2015 at 11:14:09 AM
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noQuote: guitarmandpEver had this happen to you?
never happened to me
there, you said it.Quote: guitarmandpThis guy comes up to the table and asks me what the point is.
Obviously he's a newbie since he could have seen that 8 was the point.
I said "8", <snip>
YOU caused the 7 out!
you should have said to that player something likes
"look to see where the dice are, the shooter is rolling!"
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YOU changed history
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I change hertory
thank you for all your stories you tell
they would be great in a blog and book
just me opinion (10% fact and 90% entertainment)
Mully
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May 3rd, 2015 at 9:34:28 PM
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If I could read minds I would have never told him what the point is.
For those that were asking previously, this is why people reserve tables, and why there's a seven star/diamond table. It's to get away from these newbies that screw up the game. Most people that buy in for 25K don't want people like this slowing down the game.
A few months ago I was on a monster roll. I started with $52 cross and each number got from $10 (or $12) to over $100. Guy comes in and starts doing on every roll these super complicated hop bets that completely slowed down the game. There had to have been at least 10 minutes in between each roll while they figured out his payout as he hopped most of the numbers. Anyways shooter went out a few rolls after this guy got on the table. Maybe the shooter would have rolled for another 30 minutes had that guy not have showed up, or maybe he would have 7'd out immediately but it sure felt like this guy with all the stupid pointless hop bets took the air out of the tires.
That's one of my superstitions. Guys having a great roll and somebody comes up to the table and starts doing all these strange bets that completely slow the game down.
For those that were asking previously, this is why people reserve tables, and why there's a seven star/diamond table. It's to get away from these newbies that screw up the game. Most people that buy in for 25K don't want people like this slowing down the game.
A few months ago I was on a monster roll. I started with $52 cross and each number got from $10 (or $12) to over $100. Guy comes in and starts doing on every roll these super complicated hop bets that completely slowed down the game. There had to have been at least 10 minutes in between each roll while they figured out his payout as he hopped most of the numbers. Anyways shooter went out a few rolls after this guy got on the table. Maybe the shooter would have rolled for another 30 minutes had that guy not have showed up, or maybe he would have 7'd out immediately but it sure felt like this guy with all the stupid pointless hop bets took the air out of the tires.
That's one of my superstitions. Guys having a great roll and somebody comes up to the table and starts doing all these strange bets that completely slow the game down.
May 3rd, 2015 at 10:38:11 PM
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You should be thanking him hes actually saving you money while earning you extra comps.Quote: guitarmandp
That's one of my superstitions. Guys having a great roll and somebody comes up to the table and starts doing all these strange bets that completely slow the game down.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
May 3rd, 2015 at 10:46:10 PM
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the new player with the stack of red did not cause the 7-out, but he did not follow craps etiquette.
May 4th, 2015 at 2:11:06 AM
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Quote: Tanko
So, I deliberately let them fly low down the middle, and hit his hands.
This is what I used to do -- aim for the person's hands. But I haven't played craps for a while [well once recently but that was cuz o'her reasons].
I've seen people deliberatly try to hit the person. Not like their hands or whatever, but aim for their face. I wouldn't do that, though. But damn, is it hilarious when people do do it.
May 4th, 2015 at 5:33:44 AM
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I've never seen a 7 Stars table in Vegas. But I have seen high rollers with reserved tables and if a high roller is betting big he can have the table minimum raised. I once saw it raised to $100 but only on the side where the high roller was so no one would be on his side.
But come to think of it, if I were a high roller I would want the OTHER SIDE of the table restricted so that there would be no chips to hit.
As far as delays go -- I welcome them. As was pointed out, the longer the delays the better the comps and ratings. Every so often there is a player who goes through extensive rituals before throwing. When there is such a player I often joke with whoever is next to me -- "watch, his hand will last an hour, and we'll get just seven throws."
But I have to admit I was guilty of this once. I had five numbers on the fire bet and was working on the sixth. I took my sweet time so I could relax and breathe. I was the only player with a fire bet and it's because I opened that table -- the others at the table joined as I was making passes. When one of the players at the table asked a base dealer why I was taking so long, the dealer explained that if I hit the 6 I would win $10,000. All of the other players became very respectful then and no one was impatient. After all, they had money on the passline too. I did not make the 6 but I rolled a heck of a lot of 8s and 9s. And for those of you who are as superstitious as I am, my last three rolls before the 7 were 12, 2, 12.
But come to think of it, if I were a high roller I would want the OTHER SIDE of the table restricted so that there would be no chips to hit.
As far as delays go -- I welcome them. As was pointed out, the longer the delays the better the comps and ratings. Every so often there is a player who goes through extensive rituals before throwing. When there is such a player I often joke with whoever is next to me -- "watch, his hand will last an hour, and we'll get just seven throws."
But I have to admit I was guilty of this once. I had five numbers on the fire bet and was working on the sixth. I took my sweet time so I could relax and breathe. I was the only player with a fire bet and it's because I opened that table -- the others at the table joined as I was making passes. When one of the players at the table asked a base dealer why I was taking so long, the dealer explained that if I hit the 6 I would win $10,000. All of the other players became very respectful then and no one was impatient. After all, they had money on the passline too. I did not make the 6 but I rolled a heck of a lot of 8s and 9s. And for those of you who are as superstitious as I am, my last three rolls before the 7 were 12, 2, 12.
May 4th, 2015 at 7:48:44 AM
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it's threads like this that make me want to walk over to the craps tables and yell "Cmon Seven!!" and then tell people that this is my fist time playing craps as I buy in for the table minimum to put on the don't pass line
May 4th, 2015 at 10:32:29 AM
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Quote: ajemeisterit's threads like this that make me want to walk over to the craps tables and yell "Cmon Seven!!" and then tell people that this is my fist time playing craps as I buy in for the table minimum to put on the don't pass line
I would actually love to see someone do that.
Casinos are not your friends, they want your money. But so does Disneyland.
And there is no chance in hell that you will go to Disneyland and come back with more money than you went with.
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May 4th, 2015 at 11:54:18 AM
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Quote: ajemeisterit's threads like this that make me want to walk over to the craps tables and yell "Cmon Seven!!" and then tell people that this is my fist time playing craps as I buy in for the table minimum to put on the don't pass line
Don't players do this all the time. There are several frequent darkside players at Caesars who will yell out "$25 don't come" from six feet away as they make their way to the table. I've never seen a darkside player "clean up" at Caesars. I've seen darkside players take the dice and establish a point and then 7-out while the rest of the table just watches without betting. I've also seen darkside players have to run to the ATM during their roll because they keep making passes.
What is really "funny" to me is that darkside players will bet the don'ts on other shooters, but when it's their turn to roll they suddenly become a right-way shooter? Are they DIs? Or do they think the dice will perform better for them than for the right-siders at the table?
May 4th, 2015 at 12:00:52 PM
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Quote: ajemeisterit's threads like this that make me want to walk over to the craps tables and yell "Cmon Seven!!" and then tell people that this is my fist time playing craps as I buy in for the table minimum to put on the don't pass line
Quote: DeucekiesI would actually love to see someone do that.
I don't see how it could hurt anything...NOT screaming "Cmon 7!" doesn't seem to work much...tom "home runs are often boring" p
"You can't EXPECT to win. But you CAN play Tough"...tom p, 1974
May 4th, 2015 at 12:47:57 PM
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There is entirely too much superstition in general in gaming some of it can be funny and joked about, but a lot of it has really started to grid my gears. My biggest pet peeve is when someone has the nerve to tell me how i should be betting my money or playing my game. If i wanna come up when there's a "hot roll" and throw down a 20 and play, I have every right to (typically I won't out of being courteous and wanting not to get into any altercations with other players). If I want to play blackjack mid shoe and i double on a 9 or hit my soft 18, I have every right to, and nobody ESPECIALLY THE DEALER, has any right telling me how i should play or criticize me AFTER the roll/deal as to "you should have done X because of Y". Hindsight is 20/20 and if you try to rub this in my face as a dealer, you'll get absolutely no tips from me. Superstitions and altercations with people really put a sour taste in my mouth when it comes to gambling anymore, and it's hard to find a place anymore that will let me play unbothered.
May 4th, 2015 at 12:55:39 PM
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Some of the best rolls I've experienced have been when a darkside player is shooting. I bet bigger when someone's shooting from the don't.
The hands superstition is as true as Asian women drivers. That's all I'm going to say on that issue.
The hands superstition is as true as Asian women drivers. That's all I'm going to say on that issue.
Its - Possessive; It's - "It is" / "It has"; There - Location; Their - Possessive; They're - "They are"
May 4th, 2015 at 1:05:05 PM
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i say we need more superSTITIONQuote: ajemeisterThere is entirely too much superstition in general in gaming some of it can be funny and joked about, but a lot of it has really started to grid my gears.
i (eye) add
like all male craps players are liars but not all liars are male craps players
?Quote: ajemeisterMy biggest pet peeve is when someone has the nerve to tell me how i should be betting my money or playing my game.
only $20Quote: ajemeisterIf i wanna come up when there's a "hot roll" and throw down a 20 and play,
hehe
great one (1)
a big NO NO if the table players are happy and winningQuote: ajemeisterIf I want to play blackjack mid shoe
you WILL change the flow of the cards
bad bad
one
two
but OK when the table is losing (as many are lifetime losers... from losing)
yes, they have the right in this US countryQuote: ajemeisterand i double on a 9 or hit my soft 18, I have every right to,
and nobody
ESPECIALLY THE DEALER, has any right telling me how i should play or criticize me AFTER the roll/deal
freedom of speech
to say anything to you at any time
if you have NOTHING nice to say...
then SAY NOTHING NICE!
i love sour candyQuote: ajemeisterSuperstitions and altercations with people really put a sour taste in my mouth when it comes to gambling anymore, and it's hard to find a place anymore that will let me play unbothered.
thank you for the entertainment
Mully
I Heart Vi Hart
May 4th, 2015 at 2:22:05 PM
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Dealers don't make enough money to put up with sour candy, mully.
When a rock is thrown into a pack of dogs, the one that yells the loudest is the one who got hit.
May 4th, 2015 at 11:27:05 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfDice hitting newbies chips automatically causes a 7?
Yes it does. And it only cost $85 to learn this. Now that Guitar Man knows this he can use the information to profit a huge amount every time he plays
May 8th, 2015 at 10:04:48 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfYou should be thanking him hes actually saving you money while earning you extra comps.
Then why gamble?
May 8th, 2015 at 10:19:43 PM
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If the newbie puts a stack of chips down on the come line and the dice hit it, will a 7 still come?
May 9th, 2015 at 2:03:47 AM
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Quote: bodyforlifeThen why gamble?
For ev
"Man Babes" #AxelFabulous
May 14th, 2015 at 2:16:08 PM
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Quote: djatcFor ev
I just think it's a dumb comment. Sounds like if we hit a table where we got two rolls in four hours while we were getting rated, that would be awesome. Yeah, don't think so. Comps are always nice, but if the sole intent was to just sit around and not gamble, I'll opt for a different venue for a vacation. I'll never understand why someone makes a comment like that. Sometime people go a little overboard with the math angle.
May 14th, 2015 at 2:41:21 PM
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This guy Mike, i think that is his name, not that Mike, was hitting on my HOT GF at a bar one day in Lake Tahoe.Quote: bodyforlifeSometime people go a little overboard with the math angle.
His pick-up line kind of went like this
"Hi beautiful, can I tell you about a recent conversation I had with my computer"
my GF
"Go away flea"
He rambled on
"I asked my computer what 1 plus 1 equals and it said
10.
I said no way is it a ten.
my computer said "not a ten,
10"
"But you look like a 10 to me, how about"
and me GF threw up all over his lap
it took me a few seconds to get that punch line too
"There are 10 kinds of people in the world,
those who understand binary numbers, and those who don't."
those who understand binary numbers, and those who don't."
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May 14th, 2015 at 2:50:22 PM
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And a guy sitting at the slot machines could say the same thing. For $3 he can hit for millions and get tons of comps.Quote: bodyforlifeI just think it's a dumb comment. Sounds like if we hit a table where we got two rolls in four hours while we were getting rated, that would be awesome. Yeah, don't think so. Comps are always nice, but if the sole intent was to just sit around and not gamble, I'll opt for a different venue for a vacation. I'll never understand why someone makes a comment like that. Sometime people go a little overboard with the math angle.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
