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Wizard
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April 6th, 2015 at 5:29:45 PM permalink
I just saw a set of new side bets at the Suncoast. There are five bets, numbered 2 to 6. For each bet to win, you have to roll that total that same number of times before a seven to win. For example, for the bet on six to win, the shooter must roll six sixes before a seven to win. That win pays 90 for 1. I try to explain everyting in my craps side bet section.


Please let me know if anything about my explanation isn't clear or you have any questions.

The question for the poll is if you were playing craps anyway, would you make these bets?

Link: patent application.
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April 6th, 2015 at 5:36:26 PM permalink
Where is the choice: Yes, I am a dice sitter and the odds are in my favor!
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April 6th, 2015 at 5:42:04 PM permalink
Not for me.......Galaxy has the best side bet for craps IMHO with the Small/Tall/All. Mid 7% HE and payouts up to 175-1. These HE's are in the 18-22% range......why not just play Keno?

Plus if you just parlayed a $6 place bet on the 6, including the short pays for fractional bets, I come up with 101-1 as your payout after six 6's.
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April 6th, 2015 at 5:44:49 PM permalink
Quote: Paradigm

Plus if you just parlayed a $6 place bet on the 6, including the short pays for fractional bets, I come up with 101-1 as your payout after six 6's.



Good point! However, the odds on the Repeater bets are better on the points of 4 and 5, assuming place bets on the 4 is the alternative. If you can buy the 4 and pay the commission on a win only (odds of 59 for 20) then the buy bet parlay is much better.
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April 6th, 2015 at 5:47:33 PM permalink
Seems quite bad house edge. It's an interesting assumption in the patent that one selling point for the bet is want to offer higher odds and larger possible wins to attract new Craps players. I suspect most new players find it daunting, so another set of bets would make it more complicated. I once heard of someone who didn't play roulette, because they thought the racetrack was too complicated and so went and played Blackjack. I don't know how game designers have a chance of working out what some people want if that's how they feel!
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April 6th, 2015 at 5:49:06 PM permalink
2,3,4 seem to have a reasonable chance of hitting, although I would like the bet better with no action on the come out. But the HE is too greedy. Pure casino robbery. The payouts need to be better to get the HE down to 9-10% range.

I agree the Small/Tall/All bet is my favorite too. At 7% I don't feel bad playing it, and it makes for a nice ~$1200 payday on a $15 bet.
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April 6th, 2015 at 5:59:52 PM permalink
I play the Fire Bet because I like that it's only one small bet that's live for the entire duration of the shooter's turn. I also play it for the minimum of $1. What's a buck?

Even though it's three bets, I would consider the All/Small/Tall bets if a come-out 7 didn't kill it.

I might consider the Repeater bet under Variation 1, where the come-out roll doesn't count. But now we're talking about five $1 bets. Or ten $1 bets on Variation 2. I think I'll pass.

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Looking at the payouts for the high numbers on Variation 3 makes me think that this game designer doesn't have a clue.

One thing I've learned over the last few years is that, surprise surprise, casinos don't like to pay out huge jackpots, no matter how high the edge is.
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April 6th, 2015 at 6:08:04 PM permalink
If the casino ever got to the point where they had to pay out for 12 twelves, that table would have dumped so much money by then, someone would have pulled a fire alarm.

You can be sure the 12 would be bought for a few hundred, or perhaps a G, and you probably would have the horn crowd playing $100 midnights every roll. That would be an insane scene.
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April 6th, 2015 at 7:04:30 PM permalink
100 years ago (or so) "Repeater" was a reference to foods that made you pass gas, specifically beans. So I'm finding it amusing that a game called "craps" now has a "repeater" bet.

As to the bet itself, what a HE! Put me down as another who likes A/T/S. Then the Fire. This would be a distant third if at all.
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April 6th, 2015 at 7:10:36 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

100 years ago (or so) "Repeater" was a reference to foods that made you pass gas, specifically beans. So I'm finding it amusing that a game called "craps" now has a "repeater" bet.

As to the bet itself, what a HE! Put me down as another who likes A/T/S. Then the Fire. This would be a distant third if at all.



Well most craps games also had a Big 6 and Big 8 bet, which were colloquially referred to as 'shitty bets'

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