AlanMendelson
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February 12th, 2015 at 11:25:38 PM permalink
The slowest game I ever saw:

Shooter had the dice for close to an hour, chips were stacked high all over the table, but it took nearly five minutes to get a roll because players were going nuts calling bets on and off, trimming bets, adding odds, reducing odds, and so forth.

Finally out of frustration floorman yells -- last turn for everyone, what's your bet?

And that's what happened for about the next twenty minutes. One by one the dealers went around the table asking each player to state their bet -- NO changes. It still took nearly five minutes to get a roll, but at least some order was restored.
RS
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February 12th, 2015 at 11:36:24 PM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

The slowest game I ever saw:

Shooter had the dice for close to an hour, chips were stacked high all over the table, but it took nearly five minutes to get a roll because players were going nuts calling bets on and off, trimming bets, adding odds, reducing odds, and so forth.

Finally out of frustration floorman yells -- last turn for everyone, what's your bet?

And that's what happened for about the next twenty minutes. One by one the dealers went around the table asking each player to state their bet -- NO changes. It still took nearly five minutes to get a roll, but at least some order was restored.



If everyone has had their chance, stickman should just say "Bets are set, dice are moving, no more bets, hands up."
djatc
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February 13th, 2015 at 12:18:56 AM permalink
Quote: bodyforlife

I'd love to be bored. Loaded dice?



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Concinnity
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February 13th, 2015 at 3:13:38 PM permalink
Quote: bodyforlife

That's hard for me to answer because I would never be in that position. I simply would never put 2x odds on a pass line wager if the max was 5x. I have been at some of the strip casinos on a busy weekend (the most recent being Superbowl weekend). I was at the Palazzo and there was no space at the $25 tables (I prefer $10, but will step up to $25 if need be), so it was nothing but $50 (too rich for my blood). I went to the Wynn and it was the same thing. I decided I wanted to play so I simply put a $50 wager on the DP and didn't take odds. That's what I do in situations where the minimums are too high for me to take max odds (or I don't play). I don't get concerned about taking odds on a DP because "true odds" are actually worse than the position you're in after that come out roll. But on a PL wager, it's max odds or I don't play. I should also mention that my comment regarding if someone put a wager down for me on an "all or nothing" was only made because I wouldn't put the wager down myself. But that wager amount should really have no bearing on what either of us would do in that situation (after all, I'm sure neither one of us are too concerned with a buck). The difference is a person that claims they would just leave the wager, simply doesn't value a $200-$300 payout like I do in lieu of the bigger payout. That's really the issue here (not the mathematical calculation)

And may I say, you have a very, vivid imagination.



Okay, bodyforlife, well, consider the same exact scenario, except you played the DP without odds (which you seem to prefer, and my compliments), and the guy plunked down full odds for you. Would you pick them up and put them in your pocket in an obvious non-ratholing way? Or otherwise take them out of play?

You have no idea re: my soi disant "vivid imagination." Thank you, but I really don't have much of an imagination (but people think I do because they think I make this stuff up). I just take these things from real-life scenarios that I have seen (I have lived an exceptionally interesting life). Well, except for the piranha pond at Wynn. I really have no idea if they have one of those, but if not: they should. It would really draw crowds, especially at feeding time when they bring out the high-rollers who don't want to make good on their markers and should have read the fine print. If Steve Wynn wants to put me on the payroll as a "creative consultant" I have no objection.
bodyforlife
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February 13th, 2015 at 6:33:12 PM permalink
Quote: Concinnity

Would you pick them up and put them in your pocket in an obvious non-ratholing way?



Depending on who left them, I might actually try to give them back. But assuming it was a high roller, I'd just pocket them and say thanks. Of course, if I kept playing after that roll, one could say I just used them for betting. If I stopped, then it would simply be accepting a gift and that would be that.
Concinnity
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February 15th, 2015 at 9:18:28 PM permalink
Quote: bodyforlife

Depending on who left them, I might actually try to give them back. But assuming it was a high roller, I'd just pocket them and say thanks. Of course, if I kept playing after that roll, one could say I just used them for betting. If I stopped, then it would simply be accepting a gift and that would be that.



Good for you! I've often wondered about "tipping" the shooter and the etiquette of all that. I wonder what others think, especially given the social aspect of craps (as opposed to, say, a slot machine, or roulette).
AcesAndEights
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February 17th, 2015 at 9:15:16 AM permalink
Quote: MidwestAP

I occasionally play craps for recreation with friends. I know it's -EV, so I minimize the EV by only playing pass and don't pass bets and track how much I'm giving up. When the expected loss equals the cost of a movie and popcorn, I leave, if not before. Therefore, I LOVE it when players slow the game down! They are saving me money. I've never understood the need to play a negative EV game fast?

Now if the reason it's being slowed down has a secondary reason, like the shooter is a pompous jerk, then I guess it might justify leaving. I just prefer to bet the opposite side as him.


This is great advice and I need to make more of an effort to play at crowded craps tables. On my upcoming Vegas trip I gave my host an the ElCo an estimate of how much I would be playing, and hopefully will play a bit more to get my 3 nights comped (he promised 2 nights comped if I play what I told him).

Getting those specified number of hours in while the table is at least moderately full will be part of my strategy to reduce the -EV.
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