ghostcrap
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January 28th, 2015 at 12:45:03 AM permalink
What do you all think of this?

(NOTE/KEY: Place bets are working on the come out roll, {A/B/C/D/E/F/G...} = "betting rounds" or rolls)
BANKROLL REQUIRED = \$1,452
Wait for a seven to hit twice in a row. Then bet a single unit (\$6) on the Place6 and Place8. If a third seven (loss) then bet the total lost from the beginning +2 units (you'll see why +2 units). Ok, read the below "system". I would like to code this in WinCraps, but I have no clue how. I am only a novice at JAVA coding.

Two sevens hit back to back. This begins the betting system. (or hopes and dreams)

Bet \$6 on the 6/8 each (of course)
{A} Total down = \$12
7 hits again.
Total loss from beginning = {A} \$12
Bet is now Total Loss{A} + 1 unit (\$6) on each 6/8 = \$18 on the 6/8 each.
{B} Total down = \$36
7 hits again.
Total loss from beginning = {A} + {B} = \$48
Bet is now Total Loss {A} + {B} + 1 unit (\$6) on each 6/8 = \$54 on the 6/8 each
{C} Total down = \$108
7 hits again.
Total loss from beginning = {A} + {B} + {C} = \$156
Bet is now Total Loss {A} + {B} + {C} + 1 unit (\$6) on each 6/8 = \$162 on the 6/8 each
{D} Total down = \$324
7 hit again.
Total loss from beginning = {A} + {B} + {C} + {D} = \$480
Bet is now Total Loss {A} + {B} + {C} + {D} + 1 unit (\$6) on each 6/8 = \$486 on the 6/8 each
{E} Total down = \$972
7 hits again.
Total loss from beginning = {A} + {B} + {C} + {D} + {E} = \$1,452

The casino I go to is the Mardi Gras Casino and Resort in Charleston, WV and their table caps bets out at \$500 so I will stop at {E}

Is this a good betting strategy as I'm sure the odds of a seven hitting seven times are slim? Very well possible but slim. I know this would be a VERY slow grind but hey. They way I see it is if I can go to the Casino and make more money and hour that my actual hourly pay rate at my job. Then it is worth going.

Yes yes I know the chances are always 1/6 no matter how many 7's pop up. But there is still the law of probability here. I'm just curious as to how it works in favor of this "system".

THANKS
I am that guy that will start betting the Any7 if I notice the 7 hasn't hit in 21 rolls. (x3 times it's "expected" role rate)
rudeboyoi
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January 28th, 2015 at 12:55:42 AM permalink
Its not a winning system. You're simply betting that a 6 or 8 will hit before 5 sevens hit. The dice don't remember if they rolled 2 sevens before that.
RS
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January 28th, 2015 at 1:55:59 AM permalink
Why does it matter if you wait for 2 sevens to roll (in a row) before placing your first bet? Either:

- You lose less money doing that (per hour)
OR
- There's really no reason actually.

Don't use betting systems unless you're fully prepared to get crushed. Sure most of the time you'll win. Sometimes you'll lose. You lose more than you win. That big loss isn't necessarily going to come 3 weeks from now -- it could very well happen in the first 20 minutes.
Dicenor33
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January 28th, 2015 at 3:09:34 AM permalink
The only time you win at craps is when the monster roll comes along. You have to increase your bets accordingly as the roll progresses, in meantime you simply try to survive.
rudeboyoi
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January 28th, 2015 at 3:17:26 AM permalink
Quote: Dicenor33

The only time you win at craps is when the monster roll comes along. You have to increase your bets accordingly as the roll progresses, in meantime you simply try to survive.

How do you know when the monster roll is coming along? How do you increase your bets accordingly?
odiousgambit
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January 28th, 2015 at 3:34:55 AM permalink
Quote: ghostcrap

What do you all think of this?

Basically a Martingale you have hear sir, I'd say read up on what's wrong with those. Been around for centuries. If you like small wins, it'll give you some, but the big crushing loss is coming.

I think the question I have for Martingalers anymore is, isn't it more fun to press your bets when you are winning, rather than pressing when you are losing?
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
RS
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January 28th, 2015 at 3:39:25 AM permalink
Quote: odiousgambit

Basically a Martingale you have hear sir, I'd say read up on what's wrong with those. Been around for centuries. If you like small wins, it'll give you some, but the big crushing loss is coming.

I think the question I have for Martingalers anymore is, isn't it more fun to press your bets when you are winning, rather than pressing when you are losing?

They are really both the opposite. Martingalers usually win small, rarely lose big. The guys who press press press usually lose, but sometimes win big.

One player wants to grind it out (martingale) and the "gambler" wants to win it big on a monster roll. Neither show a positive edge.
odiousgambit
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January 28th, 2015 at 3:45:45 AM permalink
Quote: RS

Neither show a positive edge.

That should have been added, yes.

However, IMO, and people do vary in what they like, it is also a matter of having fun. Sweating out a martingale that is stringing out is no fun ... geez when it finally kicks in you're just back to where you started!
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
ThatDonGuy
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January 28th, 2015 at 6:58:46 AM permalink
Question: if a 6 or 8 hits before a 7, do you keep the place bet on the other number up, or do you take it down immediately?

Also, "the law of probability" says that things don't necessarily "balance out" completely, especially in the short term. Even if they did, how do you know that there weren't far more 6s and 8s rolled than 7s before you got to the table? For that matter, does switching dice affect this "balance"? How about switching tables? How about switching casinos, for that matter?
mustangsally
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January 28th, 2015 at 8:53:30 AM permalink
Quote: ghostcrap

What do you all think of this?

(NOTE/KEY: Place bets are working on the come out roll, {A/B/C/D/E/F/G...} = "betting rounds" or rolls)
BANKROLL REQUIRED = \$1,452
Wait for a seven to hit twice in a row. Then bet a single unit (\$6) on the Place6 and Place8. If a third seven (loss) then bet the total lost from the beginning +2 units (you'll see why +2 units). Ok, read the below "system". I would like to code this in WinCraps, but I have no clue how. I am only a novice at JAVA coding.

sounds fun
but
well, I ,as most girls, do not like waiting around

but if you have fun doing this, who am I (other than Sally)

I actually have this already programmed in WinCraps (both versions) and I think it is very easy to program in both WC versions

but it is about time to head out to Las Vegas for the weekend

I may have some time tomorrow to show the code I do have, as it is on a different computer
(maybe Alan and/or Steen too)

so,
what chance do you think you have to double your starting 1452 bankroll?
50%
66%
75%
90%
100%
5%
1%
0%
other

and how many rolls on average do you think you have to wait until you see 2 7s in a row and then make that bet?
wait!
OK
I have a thread about this if interested

I love 7s too
I make Lay bets that win on any 7

Sally
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