odiousgambit
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January 15th, 2015 at 9:40:08 AM permalink
Quote: Joeman

How common is this? I've never seen a dealer refuse a break. Seems like it would surely draw attention.



I agree. I never got the feeling there was anything optional about it anyway.
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Paigowdan
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January 15th, 2015 at 9:42:42 AM permalink
Quote: Joeman

How common is this? [for the dealer to refuse breaks] I've never seen a dealer refuse a break. Seems like it would surely draw attention.



It's not uncommon; sometimes - on occasion - a dealer may be preferred by a customer, and the dealer and floor can oblige the player, or the dealer may be giving an extra break for another dealer who was stuck on a table for longer, past his break.

Anyway - this story is heartbreaking. It is a disgrace of sorts to gaming, to have a dealer just rip off the business in such a cavalier manner thinking he was slick, and to be an agent in this type of scam. Bad apples exist on both sides, and in too great of numbers. I gotta say at least some of the crew, more than one, had to be in on it, you really can't miss this type of maneuver if watching the game.

For the dealer to be arrested on the floor may be a message, and such tactics have been used for the delivery of that message.
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boymimbo
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January 15th, 2015 at 10:22:40 AM permalink
I'm confused how the box could let this go down. You take in $200 in cash/black and put $540 across. At those times the box should be looking at the chips in vs the chips placed and figure it out pretty quickly. That the casino got taken for $80K as a result is ridiculous and certainly the box should be getting penalized severely for allowing this.

Surveillance should have picked thta up very easily too.
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FleaStiff
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January 15th, 2015 at 10:35:44 AM permalink
It is NOT the job of surveillance to go out and slap cuffs on somebody,,, they "build a file" for court use.

Arrests are always made on the floor.... they want the employees to see it and often the dealers pound the chips on the table in cadence with the Perp Walk steps.

Wasn't taking breaks??? Rotation and breaks are mandatory for that reason. Always.

Dealer-Player collusion can be costly.

I have a feeling about this: TOTIB. Tip Of The Ice Berg. Look for the Box Man to "retire" soon.
DJTeddyBear
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January 15th, 2015 at 11:44:49 AM permalink
Maybe it was a three man crew without a boxman.

If that's the case, the rogue dealer could have timed his "error" moves to those times the stickman was watching / helping the other dealer.


No matter what the scenario, it's pretty amazing that, with all the cameras, that anyone thinks they can get away with anything in a casino.
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EvenBob
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January 15th, 2015 at 12:11:06 PM permalink
Quote: guitarmandp

He rooted for me to loose!



It's finally happened. I've seen the word
'lose' written as loose so many times in
the last 15 years that I actually paused
and wondered if loose was the proper
spelling. Sigh..
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onenickelmiracle
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January 15th, 2015 at 2:05:15 PM permalink
It's sounds quite absurd for something so obvious to be even attempted without some form of blackmail. Some people don't need anything but greed to something like this, but greed sure wouldn't be enough for me. He better hope he was blackmailed or threatened somehow and he has proof.
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sc15
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January 15th, 2015 at 2:06:52 PM permalink
Quote: onenickelmiracle

It's sounds quite absurd for something so obvious to be even attempted without some form of blackmail. Some people don't need anything but greed to something like this, but greed sure wouldn't be enough for me. He better hope he was blackmailed or threatened somehow and he has proof.



Short of someone having possession of his kids or something, he isn't getting away w/ this.
guitarmandp
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January 17th, 2015 at 7:08:37 AM permalink
I was at the casino again last night and I spoke to some of the regulars and they all say that it would be very easy to get $540 across betting $200 as long as you had a dealer and a boxmen that were both in on it. They think there had to have been a boxmen in on it.

One of the other boxmen did tell somebody I knew that there will probably be other dealers and boxmen fired as a result from the fall out of this. Somebody on stick, another dealer, or a regular player had to have noticed something shady and gone to somebody.

I do not trust survalience to catch any mistake. I have spent countless hours on the tables and the only time I ever see survalience get involved is when a player argues with the ouse over a questionable call. The one time I saw survalience do anything was on a roll where a 5 point fire was hit and a bunch of people had $25 on it, and the boxman screwed up and overpaid everybody that had a quarter on it by $1,250 or something like that, and they are required to oversee payouts on the fire and check the tapes to make sure each point was legit. I have seen countless dealer mistakes and the only time survalience ever gets involved is when the floor manager calls upstairs. I've accidentally pulled my $10 passline bet off, been overpaid by a few hundred dollars, had my don't come bets get paid to the wrong person, had the dealer take a quarter off my don't pass bet and put it on the players passline bet after the chips knocked off our bets, had the "on" puck on two different points, etc.. I could go on and on and survalience never gets involved.
reno
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January 17th, 2015 at 2:49:43 PM permalink
A scam like this will probably be successful if a dealer does it once or twice when the floor is busy. But if you do it over and over and over to the tune of 80k, you're 100% guaranteed to eventually get caught. And the security camera evidence makes it easy to prosecute. I'm shocked that this isn't obvious to every employee of every casino on planet.

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