Can you place an odds bet that is smaller than your flat bet?
April 6th, 2014 at 10:01:32 AM
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Is this allowed? I've only ever seen discussion of maximums. Just trying to stretch out my bankroll and playing time...
April 6th, 2014 at 10:29:52 AM
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I don't see why not. Here's an example of where somebody might do it: at a $15 table, someone whose money management includes "don't bet odds > your pass line bet" bets $15 on pass and the point is 5. If the table doesn't have 50-cent chips, a $15 odds bet would gain $22, whereas a $14 would gain $21, so, in effect, the extra dollar would be at even money.
Question: how rare are 50-cent chips at crap tables nowadays?
(Question 2: what about blackjack tables? I would think they would be needed for paying off blackjacks on bets of odd numbers of dollars, but I don't know if that's how it actually works.)
Question: how rare are 50-cent chips at crap tables nowadays?
(Question 2: what about blackjack tables? I would think they would be needed for paying off blackjacks on bets of odd numbers of dollars, but I don't know if that's how it actually works.)
April 6th, 2014 at 10:43:41 AM
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It depends on the casino. Some will let you put any amount of odds. Some will require it to be table minimum. Some will require it to be at least the same as the flat bet.
I've never seen a 50 cent chip. I've only seen 25 cent chips once, at the Fremont. Real coins on a craps table will tear up the felt.
From my limited experience, blackjack tables will have either $2.50 chips, a stack of actual quarters, or a stack of actual half-dollars.
I've never seen a 50 cent chip. I've only seen 25 cent chips once, at the Fremont. Real coins on a craps table will tear up the felt.
From my limited experience, blackjack tables will have either $2.50 chips, a stack of actual quarters, or a stack of actual half-dollars.
April 6th, 2014 at 11:09:36 AM
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Well yeah that's my thinking, I was just wondering which casinos do/don't let you bet less for odds.
April 6th, 2014 at 11:10:52 AM
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In a technical sense, no. Any bet less than the minimum is presumed to be for the dealers.Quote: captainkolothIs this allowed? I've only ever seen discussion of maximums. Just trying to stretch out my bankroll and playing time...
Remember odds are a relatively new concept. If you watch the montage of Vegas signs for movies and major documentaries, you will see that the explosional growth of the fifties brought signs like Double Odds. That was NEW. And significant. Larger casinos went even higher,,, but you used to be able to go to Vegas and it was either No odds allowed or 1x odds allowed.
Now in a practical sense, after some confusion they might allow it but it would be due to ignorance and inexperience.
Go play in Hendertucky at those one, two and three dollar tables. Your bankroll will last longer than your lungs.
April 6th, 2014 at 12:13:07 PM
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Quote: captainkolothWell yeah that's my thinking, I was just wondering which casinos do/don't let you bet less for odds.
Well yea, that's not what you asked initially.
I don't think you're going to find a list like that anywhere, unless you go and call every casino and make it yourself. A lot of rules such as this vary not only casino to casino, but even box to box.
April 6th, 2014 at 2:55:13 PM
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They ALL will let you take odds for less. Heck, they'll even let you not take odds.Quote: captainkolothWell yeah that's my thinking, I was just wondering which casinos do/don't let you bet less for odds.
But if you bet odd amounts that can't be correctly paid, they'll round down. But that's where mistakes happen, so that's where they would prefer you bet correctly.
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April 6th, 2014 at 3:40:28 PM
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You bring up an excellent point. Efficiency as a reason for strict adherence to the rules.Quote: DJTeddyBearBut if you bet odd amounts that can't be correctly paid, they'll round down. But that's where mistakes happen, so that's where they would prefer you bet correctly.
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I've heard craps crews order one player to stand still and to bet proper amounts for proper payments. He has a tendency to wander up and down along the table and even though no one is standing there they tell they will place bets from where his chips are in the rail and he must have only one such spot. He likes to bet whimsical amounts that challenge their math, they tell him straight out if you bet commonly recognizable amounts you will get prompt payment.
April 6th, 2014 at 4:00:40 PM
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Having done just that for quite a few years, the only casinos around the U.S. and a few outside that I have found that require the table minimum for both pass and don't pass odds are CZR casinos in Las Vegas. Of course, that does not imply any guarantees of real understanding of non-conventional betting patterns on the part of any given casino.Quote: captainkolothWhich casinos do/don't let you bet less for odds.
April 6th, 2014 at 5:57:36 PM
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I haven't seen any casino not allow you to. I don't play at CZR though, so that's probably why.
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April 6th, 2014 at 6:09:06 PM
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Quote: ahiromuI haven't seen any casino not allow you to. I don't play at CZR though, so that's probably why.
I never seen a casino where you can bet less than the table minimum for your odds, or win less than table minimum on don't-odds, unless you're betting for the dealers. On top of that, never seen a casino where you can not bet less than your flat bet (excluding a $0 amount) for odds.
April 6th, 2014 at 6:32:30 PM
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I think I need to re-phrase part of my response.
In short, they'll let you put odds less than your flat bet - provided it is still at least the table minimum. If your flat bet is already at the minimum, then the minimum odds bet can't be lower.
In short, they'll let you put odds less than your flat bet - provided it is still at least the table minimum. If your flat bet is already at the minimum, then the minimum odds bet can't be lower.
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April 6th, 2014 at 7:43:27 PM
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Yes that was what I meant- for a minimum flat bet.
April 6th, 2014 at 7:46:30 PM
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That would mean that on a $15 table a player would not be allowed to take $10 odds, correct?Quote: DJTeddyBearIn short, they'll let you put odds less than your flat bet - provided it is still at least the table minimum. If your flat bet is already at the minimum, then the minimum odds bet can't be lower.
April 6th, 2014 at 8:00:56 PM
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Correct.
Similarly, the player would have to wager at least $30 don't odds against 4/10 (to win15), $24 to win $16 against 5/9, and $18 to win $15 against 6/8. (Technically, I suppose you could wager $23 to win $15 against 5/9.)
Similarly, the player would have to wager at least $30 don't odds against 4/10 (to win15), $24 to win $16 against 5/9, and $18 to win $15 against 6/8. (Technically, I suppose you could wager $23 to win $15 against 5/9.)
April 6th, 2014 at 8:32:16 PM
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Quote: FleaStiffGo play in Hendertucky at those one, two and three dollar tables. Your bankroll will last longer than your lungs.
Where exactly in Henderson are these tables available Flea? - (or did I miss an attempt at sarcasm?)
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April 6th, 2014 at 8:57:13 PM
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Quote: TomspurWhere exactly in Henderson are these tables available Flea? - (or did I miss an attempt at sarcasm?)
Jokers Wild is $1 minimum. They just recently took out the quarter ($0.25) chips.
Fiesta Henderson and Sam's Town has a $3 minimum. I believe East side Cannery is $5, but might be $3 mid week.
Club Fortune also has low minimums, but I forget what they are ($3 or less, though).
April 7th, 2014 at 5:58:04 AM
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Quote: RSSimilarly, the player would have to wager at least $30 don't odds against 4/10 (to win15), $24 to win $16 against 5/9, and $18 to win $15 against 6/8. (Technically, I suppose you could wager $23 to win $15 against 5/9.)
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In that case, play in any casino in Atlantic City, where there have never been minimums on odds bets. Just maximums.Quote: RSI never seen a casino where you can bet less than the table minimum for your odds, or win less than table minimum on don't-odds, unless you're betting for the dealers. On top of that, never seen a casino where you can not bet less than your flat bet (excluding a $0 amount) for odds.
April 8th, 2014 at 9:26:54 AM
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Why would anyone want to do this? Instead of doubling the flat bet & halving the odds bet, it would make better sense, given HE, to double the odds and halve the flat. Maybe I'm missing something, here.
April 8th, 2014 at 9:45:37 AM
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Quote: Sonny44Why would anyone want to do this? Instead of doubling the flat bet & halving the odds bet, it would make better sense, given HE, to double the odds and halve the flat. Maybe I'm missing something, here.
Because you have $15 to bet at a $10 table
April 8th, 2014 at 11:58:16 AM
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Quote: wudgedBecause you have $15 to bet at a $10 table
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April 8th, 2014 at 4:09:58 PM
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I'd be surprised if a casino required you to always bet at least as much as your pass line bet on odds. For example on a $5 minimum table you bet a $25 pass line bet I'd be very surprised if the casino didn't allow you to put a $5 or $10 odds bets.
At my local casino I've seen people put $2 odds when the point was 4 or 10 and nothing was said. I'm not sure why the casino would care since you are already betting at least the table minimum with your pass bet.
At my local casino I've seen people put $2 odds when the point was 4 or 10 and nothing was said. I'm not sure why the casino would care since you are already betting at least the table minimum with your pass bet.
April 20th, 2014 at 6:19:50 PM
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I have seen a few times -- at a $5 dollar table, where someone would increase their pass line bet to $10, but keep their odds at $5.
So I think it is possible...not very smart though.
So I think it is possible...not very smart though.
