What are your 6/8 presses?

I'm sure it's been discussed before but I'm always curious to know, so let's refresh the memory.

I have a few press systems, depending on how hot/cold the table is. Anybody do anything similar, or have any critiques/advice?

Assuming this is a $10 game... anything in parentheses is a RUNNING TOTAL of what you've gotten back in profit, NOT including the action still on the table.

A. Press 2x, then collect

$12 6 or 8 (-$12)

1. PRESS $12 to $30 - Drop $4 (-$16)
2. PRESS $30 to $66 - Drop $1 (-$17)
3. COLLECT - (+$60)
4. PRESS $66 to $150 - Drop $7 (+$53)
5. PRESS $150 to $330 - Drop $5 (+$48)
6. COLLECT - (+$433)
7. PRESS $330 to $720 - Drop $5 (+$428)
8. PRESS $720 to $1560) - No change (+$428)
9. COLLECT - (+$1820) - ($2248)

...and you get the idea.


B. Collect 1x, then press

$12 6 or 8 (-$12)

1. COLLECT (+$2)
2. PRESS $12 to $24 (+$4)
3. COLLECT (+$32)
4. PRESS $24 to $48 (+$36)
5. COLLECT (+$92)
6. PRESS $48 to $90 (+$106)
7. COLLECT (+$211)
8. PRESS $90 to $180 - (+$226)
9. COLLECT (+$436)
10. PRESS $180 to $360 (+$466)
11. COLLECT (+886)

...and you get the idea.


Now for me, if a table is cold and no one's hitting anything very often, I give in and bet a negative progression style. I know it's betting scared.. but if it's not working, it's not working.

$12 6 or 8 (-$12)

1. PRESS $12 to $24 - (-$10)
2. PRESS $24 to $30 - (+$12)
3. $30 to $12 - (+$65)
4. PRESS $12 to $24 - (+$67)
5. PRESS $24 to $30 - (+$89)
6. $30 to $12 - (+$142)

Now obviously if you took the time to actually read all of that, I vary the increments of the press (sometimes it's full press, sometimes it's 2 units, sometimes it's 1 unit, sometimes it's a random amount of units)... so I'm a little inconsistent.

Bet 6 or 8 for $30 the ask the dealer to double it (Not Parley) after 6 times you will have $1215 in your rack and 990 on the 6 or 8.
You can also just take it down after 5 and cashout the $1085 :)

I'm sure the odds of rolling 5 x 6/8 is pretty good for turning your $30 into over 1k.

I get a lot of players who will either take $12 to $24 the first time or take $18 to $30 in the same situation. In my experience, it's a great way to make a lot of money and it's a great way to get killed.

A usual strategy I see for a $10 table is this:

-Place 6/8 for $12
-Full press to $24 the first time it hits (-10)
-Press to $30 the next time (+20)
-Collect 1-2 times (+90, let's say)
-Press to $42 (+113)
-Collect 1-2 times (+211 if twice)
-Press to $60 (+242)
-Collect 1-2 times (+382)
-Press to $90 (+427)

Etc, etc. Naturally, this would need to be on a blazing-hot roll, one I would see maybe once a shift on average, since, as I said, it's a great way to get killed if the dice are cold or even average.

Quote: CrapsGenious

Bet 6 or 8 for $30 the ask the dealer to double it (Not Parley) after 6 times you will have $1215 in your rack and 990 on the 6 or 8.
You can also just take it down after 5 and cashout the $1085 :)

I'm sure the odds of rolling 5 x 6/8 is pretty good for turning your $30 into over 1k.

There are still more ways to roll a 7 than any other number.... Each roll is independent of the other. If you get lucky, then it's just that, you hit this "streak" by luck.

Naturally, this would need to be on a blazing-hot roll, one I would see maybe once a shift on average, since, as I said, it's a great way to get killed if the dice are cold or even average.

Dice don't get hot or cold my friend. Luck is luck and math is math.

Me, at a $5 table, and if I am playing $5 PL and 3/4/5 odds. I will place the 6 and 8 for $12 each. Here is how I try to work it:

1st hit = same bet
2nd hit = same bet
3rd hit = press to $18
4th hit = press to $24
5th hit = press to $30
6th hit = same bet
7th hit = full press to $60
probably press by one unit (in my case $6) on subsequent hits. I have yet to get to hitting that same bet at the 6th level, but, one day (wishful thinking.) I know mine is a bit more conservative, but I like getting those bets (both of them) paid for before going up levels. If my six hits twice before an eight hits, they have both been paid for, should a 7-out come. I know, they're individual bets, but it works for my mind set.

Quote: tilt247

Dice don't get hot or cold my friend. Luck is luck and math is math.

I know the math. I also know from dealing that seeing a really favorable stretch over the course of an eight-hour shift is inevitable.

According to the Wizard, the average person rolls 8.5 times before sevening out. If a shift lasts 480 minutes (and I get people who will be on my table from start to finish,) and we go a little faster than one roll per minute, we get 60 shooters, on average, per 8-hour shift.

According to the Wizard's page on the probability of survival, that special one-in-60 roll value is worth about 29 rolls before hitting the seven out on roll 30. Averaging 1.5 comeout rolls and 9 rolls to hit the point, we figure that our hero hits 2 points and sevens out on the attempt to hit the third point.

Let's assume that the player places a $12 eight as his only place bet and moves it to a six if the point becomes eight. Assuming no seven outs until roll 30, the place bet is off if there's no point, and that four throws are on the comeout, and there are two front line winners and one seven out, we have 22 rolls in which to increase or decrease this place bet.

The eight has a probability of 5/36 of hitting. (Yes, it goes to 5/30 if we know there's no sevens, but our player does not know this, of course.) So over 36 throws, it hits five times, so we're likely to see it hit three times in this streak.

Of course, if a player knows it's going to hit exactly three times before the seven out, he will wisely bet table max and then take it down after three rolls, collecting $8,400 at my table where table max is $2,000 but goes to $2,400 on six and eight. But let's say he's starting at table minimum of $12.

The strategy I referred to above - full press the first time, take it to $30, and wait it out a couple of rolls, would earn $47 before the seven out - player is in for $12 at first, full-presses to $24 to be down $10, then goes to $30 and pockets $22 to be up $12. The third hit would earn the other $35, assuming no pressure.

By contrast, hitting three times for $14 apiece earns $42, minus the initial investment, equals $30.

So by playing aggressively, a player earns more on the once-a-shift roll, but if it hits only twice? The conservative player earns $4 more than the aggressive player. So playing aggressively counts on that once-a-shift roll, which is a mathematical inevitability, one we would refer to as a hot roll in the colloquial, but for the other 59 rolls? Better to take it easy.

Quote: hwccdealer

I know the math. I also know from dealing that seeing a really favorable stretch over the course of an eight-hour shift is inevitable.

I'm curious as to what type of favorable stretch do you see?

Is it choppy table, and all of a sudden one shooter has a monster roll, or is it more often, a stretch where multiple shooters are managing to make 1 or 2 points, and very few shooters are PSO?

Second question. When you do see the shooter with the monster roll, what are the next shooters like? It has been my experience most often that the next shooters don't make their points, and the table goes 'cold' again.
The one exception to that was the time I had my 70 minute roll. It came immediately after my buddy's 30 minute roll.

Quote: tilt247

There are still more ways to roll a 7 than any other number.... Each roll is independent of the other. If you get lucky, then it's just that, you hit this "streak" by luck.

That's all it is, just luck and a little better than luck with skilled shooters. Sometime its best to "wait" a few rolls before placing the 6/8 because if you get a shooter that rolls outside numbers, it's pointless to chase a sleeper.

i'll never forget that day Rocko (a regular shooter at the casino rolled 3 hard 4's back to back and in his 15+ rolls before 7 had rolled 8 4's. Crazy thing is, it happens all the time. There was another time when another shooter setting dice at right side of stick man rolled 12x 10's in all of 15 numbers rolled many of the 10 came hard. Everyone at the table loaded up on hard 10 and place 10.

Some things that happen at the craps table is just so hard to post because it gets to the point that it becomes unbelievable like another regular rolling 4 11's in a row followed by 2x 3crap, only a couple players noticed to start pressing their horn bets to cash in.

Luck plays a big part in craps. Don't ever forget that part.

powerpress the 1st hit, then 50% press on all subsequent hits:

$12, 24,36,54, etc

I prefer to take 50% profits as it hits instead alternating between powerpress and taking all profits.

Went to Canada Casino today for lunch, Played craps from 2pm till 1:15am. Just finished almost 12 hrs of play. Buy in $500. Left Casino with $1100
Just after dinner Wife decided to simply play 6/8 for $12 each. After 1 win, Drop $4 and go to $30, after next win, played 52/54 across (Excluding the point) and Same bet on all the numbers as they came in.

We didn't make much for the 12hrs but we had a blast and Played a ton. Congratulations to my dear for rolling a 4 number firebet (23 numbers). 3x 4 number firebets rolled with 3x 4th number firebet hedging and we missed 1x5 number firebet hedge opportunity (Could have made $500 from that hedge but was made on another table that we left)

No taxes on winning in Canada and the 6/8 works very well for a those who wish to prolong their stay and make a few dollars.

and you had a great dealer today.

Quote: ontariodealer

and you had a great dealer today.

Oh yes, I can not forget how friendly and helpful the dealers there are. We went back at 7am this morning till 2pm and one of the morning dealers taught us to "Drop 7" everytime 4 or 10 comes ($10 pays $18) and pays out $25 chip.

She made quite the collection of greens this morning making a quick $300 doing the same thing she did yesterday.

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Place 8 for $12, if win drop $4 and go to $30, if win (pays 35 + 30) Take $1 change and place all numbers for $64 across. (Same bet after each win)
Another 1 x 4 number firebet rolled along with 2x 4th number firebet Hedge wins of (6/8 $60 hedge payed $50 each and) 1x 5th number hedge (8 lay $240) payed $200. Would have left with more chips but, well, you know how it goes when you "Bet with the regulars"

the "Semi-Blind guy was also there this morning and rolled very well again" (setting the dice by feel)

"Yes" you are also a very greatfull and helpful dealer. I wish some of those "dealer in the game" firebets would have came in.

Hope to see you again on my next visit, Sir.