Are Casinos Cheating With Loaded Dice?

This issue was raised in a thread in another craps forum. It has run to several pages. Since this is the only the instance I've seen the issue raised, anywhere, how much of an issue is it on this forum? I don't think much, since I haven't seen any like threads on here since observing for over a year.

No, if they had loaded dice it would be easy for an employee to tell a confederate to bet the other way and exploit it.

http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/craps/13918-biased-dice-the-science-begins/


Above is a link to a 40 some page thread about this topic.

Personally, I do not think casinos intentionally use biased dice.

Quote: JB85

Personally, I do not think casinos intentionally use biased dice.

They sure as heck don't.

But its like that "secret button" that adjusts the slot machine payout rate... how could a casino owner EVER get a good nights sleep if some loser fresh off a pizza delivery gig could invite all his friends over and then press the button?

Its the same way with loaded dice. The casino wants fair dice. Fair dice are in favor of the casino because the game is in favor of the casino. Loaded dice don't make all that much of a difference but sneak them in to the game, invite your friends and bet big! What casino owner could sleep if that were the situation?

I once bet the dark side in North Las Vegas and lost my bankroll rapidly. That was my first and last time thinking that the casino had switched in loaded dice. I was 22 then!

Quote: FleaStiff

Its the same way with loaded dice. The casino wants fair dice. Fair dice are in favor of the casino because the game is in favor of the casino.

This is really it. The game is already loaded; why load the dice as well? No conspiracy theories needed here -- you are losing because you are playing a negative expectation game.

Any casino has enough advantage on the table, it does not need to use bad dice.

Also having seen many casino's open the tables , the table crew has no idea what
result that would produce.

Some people say well you see fewer 6 & 8 numbers, well that means there are more
5,9,4,10 which pay better.

I have enough to worry about.

dicesetter

There was a thread a while back that spoke on this...

And as they mentioned above, the game itself is already in the house's favor. It would not benefit them to have loaded dice....

A casino benefiting from dice not following the probabilities expected from the bettors is ludicrous, so it doesn't deserve more thought than a brain teaser.

I would pertain that fixing the dice to favor different results rather than completely random takes away from the maximum expected value from the table.

Any dice that has a bias can be exploited because the advantage on the biased numbers gives an advantage, where as the completely random dice will provide the casino with an advantage on every roll.

Once you've found the loaded dice, bet the don'ts, and keep your mouth shut.