RonC
RonC
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January 14th, 2014 at 6:56:06 PM permalink
Quote: PhattyD

At an indian casino I frequent, I've noticed a lot of players don't play odds on thier line bets. Might be able to ask these players if I could play behind them. Would be pretty bold, but profitable.



I've done this at a Louisiana Indian casino and in a couple of other locations--no questions asked. You just have to make sure that you explain your moves with the payout when the player decides to start playing the odds. The dealers are not going to split them up for you.

It is a good bet...
rudeboyoi
rudeboyoi
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January 14th, 2014 at 6:57:29 PM permalink
I think GVR comps odds on craps.
mds
mds
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January 14th, 2014 at 7:51:16 PM permalink
Quote: NokTang

Can someone please verify with Caesars and Harrah's that they count odds in the "average" wager for rating purposes. Where is Alan when I need him most..

The only casino which used to count odds was Harvey's in Lake Tahoe. That was long ago in a place far far away from me now.

Thanks and waiting. It's important from a room comp point of view. Food doesn't really matter much, it's the room.



Just played at both places 5 weeks ago. Yes, they counted bet + odds as my avg...
soxfan
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January 14th, 2014 at 11:00:57 PM permalink
For a while the Riviera had 1000x odds, a very sweet proposition I must say, hey hey.
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AlanMendelson
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January 15th, 2014 at 2:45:47 AM permalink
Quote: NokTang

Can someone please verify with Caesars and Harrah's that they count odds in the "average" wager for rating purposes. Where is Alan when I need him most.



About a year or so ago Caesars changed its rules to COUNT ODDS in the average wager for ratings. However, that is only part of the story. Here are other things to consider:

1. NO ONE knows what a dollar bet at table games is worth in comps at Caesars. The "rate" for dollars bet has never been made public. If you have that inside info, please share it.

2. Comps at table games are, at best, arbitrary and capricious and unreasonable (a legal term) because you are at the mercy of the floor person to accurately rate you. I've told the story when I was at Caesars and played for 4 hours and the floorman(men) for one reason or another failed to rate me. And another time I started playing only the passline for the first two shooters and then played my usual full odds with $130/135 across ($25 table) and the floorman rated my average bet as $35 (thirty five dollars).

3. Comps at Craps at Caesars have another "formula" which involves 3 ratings according to how you bet. If you are a passline bettor with odds and place the numbers you get a lower rating than a player who bets hardways and horns, and that player gets a lower rating than a player who makes lots of hop bets and goes heavy on hardway and field and horn numbers.

On New Year's Day I played craps for a short time. Let me tell you exactly what happened because I think it is interesting. As you know on New Year's Day your "tier score" resets to zero. So the first game I played at Caesars on New Year's Day was craps. I bought in for $1,000 at a $25 table. With the first shooter I bet only the passline plus the fire bet for $10 and he made three passes. I did not press. With the second shooter, also $10 fire plus $25 pass and he made one pass. I was the third to shoot. I bet $25 pass and the point was 6. I bet full odds. I also bet $130 across, and yes I had $10 on the fire. I made three passes plus hit some of the numbers. I never pressed any of the numbers and only bet the hard six for $25 when it was my first point (did not hit it, but made a soft 6). I paid off my $1,000 marker and I now had a profit of about $800 (after tips).

After I went to the cage and cashed out my $600 I went to a slot machine and inserted my card and saw that I earned 66 tier points for my session at craps. I will estimate that during my roll I had $260 on average on the table for each roll of the dice... and for the other two shooters just $25 plus the fire.

Had I been playing video poker, to get 66 tier points I would have to put $660 through the machine. ($10 = 1 tier point.) Someone else would have to do the math for me: which game (craps or VP) is better for getting tier points?

The other question is how many comps for my play? Well, I can't answer that. The "comp total" does not reset on New Year's Day and to be honest I didn't check my comps before I started playing craps on New Year's Day so I can't answer that.

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