FleaStiff
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August 16th, 2013 at 5:20:12 PM permalink
I just found this UNLV statistical analysis of table games:http://gaming.unlv.edu/reports/strip_game_mix.pdf

This is a link to it.

I'd wonder why craps was so different than the other table games.

Number of craps tables hasn't changed all that much but the revenue per table seems to have dropped. Will Dice Influencers be saying "I told you"? Or is it that a five dollar table is more absurd than we think.
DeMango
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August 16th, 2013 at 5:32:56 PM permalink
Maybe the population has gotten smarter about playing in the middle of the table. Years ago I read where craps tables held more in mid MS as opposed to Tunica and Gulf Coast. The reason given then was dumber players in the mid MS area.
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EvenBob
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August 16th, 2013 at 5:54:21 PM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff



This is a link to it.



"Twenty One (blackjack) has declined in both terms of units and revenue. In 1985, 77% of casino games were blackjack. In 2012 under 51% were.

Craps has declined remarkably as a money maker for casinos. In 1985, it generated more than
28% of all table win. In 2011 it contributed about 9% to total table win.

Roulette has moderately increased both its revenue share and unit share."

Roulette has gone from 6.5% to 10%, while both BJ and
craps have fallen off the cliff. So phooey on all of you who
say roulette is dead as a casino game, its doing better than
BJ and craps in holding its own.
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Ibeatyouraces
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August 16th, 2013 at 5:57:45 PM permalink
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DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
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August 16th, 2013 at 7:23:36 PM permalink
A lot of the non-gambling club goers that stop off in a casino usually end up at the roulette table. It's easy, non-threatening unlike a bacarrat table (try weaving into a seat with hardcore asian gamblers), and all bets are resolved in one spin. Some of the club guys end up at BJ or craps but the women are at roulette.
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FleaStiff
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August 16th, 2013 at 7:44:43 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob


Craps has declined remarkably as a money maker for casinos.
In 1985, it generated more than 28% of all table win. In 2011 it contributed about 9% to total table win.



So my question is if the number of tables is roughly the same...but there is a whopping decline in what the tables earn the casino... then someone is taking money out of a craps game. You know,,,, winning!!!

How does this happen. The mix of games changes and the square footage changes and other games blossom, but I wonder why a big money maker from the past is now diminished but the tables are pretty much the same and there haven't been any real rule changes other than these All/None/Short/Tall/Whatever bets. Heck, at the El Cortez, I doubt that felt layouts have been replaced in twenty years.
FleaStiff
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August 16th, 2013 at 7:49:46 PM permalink
Quote: djatc

Some of the club guys end up at BJ or craps but the women are at roulette.

Odd... that may indeed be true. I guess you need only glance around and determine who is drunk and those are the really club going types because the gamblers are only "buzzed" but not truly three sheets to the wind.

Yet, many of the computer oriented females do head to the craps tables. Five dollar Bally's craps table was the official location of one of the break out sessions of a Internet Marketing workshop years ago.
EvenBob
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August 16th, 2013 at 8:21:30 PM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

.. then someone is taking money out of a craps game. .



In the casinos where I go the crap tables are
closed most of the time. The one thats open
is usually empty.
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tringlomane
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August 16th, 2013 at 8:38:19 PM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

So my question is if the number of tables is roughly the same...but there is a whopping decline in what the tables earn the casino... then someone is taking money out of a craps game. You know,,,, winning!!!

How does this happen. The mix of games changes and the square footage changes and other games blossom, but I wonder why a big money maker from the past is now diminished but the tables are pretty much the same and there haven't been any real rule changes other than these All/None/Short/Tall/Whatever bets. Heck, at the El Cortez, I doubt that felt layouts have been replaced in twenty years.



People like the "Our Fearless Leader" who clearly point out that betting prop bets for "snake eyes", etc. is for people who don't care about money only. Also, with the proliferation of more interesting slot machine options and this society of instant gratification, it's also more feasible that people stay at the tables for less time than they used to, which will also generally lead to lower hold.

Actually clicking on the link, most of the article data just shows that blackjack/craps is losing out to "other games". For blackjack this isn't that surprising, but for craps, see my explanation above. Roulette has stayed steady since there isn't an alternative to steal it yet.
EvenBob
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August 16th, 2013 at 9:02:28 PM permalink
Don't over think it. Craps is a complicated game that
most people don't want to learn. Its time consuming,
confusing, and you have to stand while playing.

Roulette is easy, mindless, and anybody can learn it
in 2min. The old craps players are dying out, soon
it won't be a game most casinos even want because
they can fit 12 slots in the space a craps table takes up.
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