odiousgambit
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June 28th, 2013 at 4:18:39 AM permalink
Quote: Mission146

Well, maybe not yelling, but my voice was definitely raised. The shot-taker was a total douche-sickle.



I have to stay out of such things ... if I am to be 'picking the time and place of my battles' then that scene isn't fitting the bill.

I often ponder whether or not to sympathize or not with such players. They usually say " I told you I wanted action on that bet at all times", and the dealer doesnt seem to know how to respond to that. Of course, there are myriad problems with such a request: often the game is going too fast for it to be practical, the dealers change, there are players that might indeed try to take a shot. The only valid gripe really should be for the dealer to fail to leave the bet up after a win, but this too could be caught by the player. After a loser the player has to be on the ball enough to know. From my observations, too many players try to be all over the place with too much action for anyone, including themselves, to stay on top of it.

With such going on, I never fail to remind myself that sucker bets are just bad news all the way around anyway.
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
Mission146
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June 28th, 2013 at 6:02:39 AM permalink
Quote: odiousgambit

I have to stay out of such things ... if I am to be 'picking the time and place of my battles' then that scene isn't fitting the bill.

I often ponder whether or not to sympathize or not with such players. They usually say " I told you I wanted action on that bet at all times", and the dealer doesnt seem to know how to respond to that. Of course, there are myriad problems with such a request: often the game is going too fast for it to be practical, the dealers change, there are players that might indeed try to take a shot. The only valid gripe really should be for the dealer to fail to leave the bet up after a win, but this too could be caught by the player. After a loser the player has to be on the ball enough to know. From my observations, too many players try to be all over the place with too much action for anyone, including themselves, to stay on top of it.

With such going on, I never fail to remind myself that sucker bets are just bad news all the way around anyway.



I agree with you completely on having a manageable amount of action, and all players should follow that Rule, even if they make the sucker bets. The House is imperfect, and they cannot be expected to be perfect at all times, we're all human. Even with only one bet out there, you have to watch. I've caught them paying me the Odds I've taken as if the Point were Six when the Point Made was Four, "Excuse me, sorry to bother you, I think you owe me a bit more on those Odds," and then I toss the boys a White, or put them behind me on the Pass Line.

The one thing that I won't tolerate is blatant cheating. In the case of the guy in question, he flipped his red chip, caught it, and said, "I guess this is the last ride," after the Point of Eight was established, and put it on Hard-Eight. Again, Eight was the point, that guy knew as sure as I know I am posting here that he lost his last bet. I'm not going to stand for that kind of crap (no pun intended) holding up the table.

I mean, if the guy tries one time to take his shot, I might ignore that. If he is going to stand there and argue, knowing he is lying/cheating, I'm not having it.
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hwccdealer
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July 12th, 2013 at 4:30:04 PM permalink
When I played in PR, all I saw were empty tables, since it seemed as if craps wasn't the most popular game (it was all blackjack and some roulette and baccarat down there.) The benefit to a crowded table is the excitement, but the benefit to a table where it's just me is that I know myself and don't feel a bit bad about switching to the Don't Pass when I know I'm out of points (based on almost every roll, I'm good for one point, and then I seven out, so I switch to the Don't Pass for the second point, and now I consistently make money. Yes, yes, I know it's all chance, but a pattern's a pattern.)

Also, I never see the phenomenon of an entire crew just standing on a craps table waiting for early out at my casino. For one thing, except in the beginning when they passed out early outs like candy on my shift, it's all done on an individual basis, and they simply take out the dealer who's being sent home and tap in a dealer who knows the game and is staying. This, of course, was bad news for me one day when I was sick as a dog and number 3 on the early out list - normally that means I don't even make it a half day, but they were out of craps dealers and I was stuck for my full shift, dribbling snot on the table and generally suffering (yes, it's gross, but I caught four colds in six months as a dealer until I decided to bathe in hand sanitizer on my breaks.)
FleaStiff
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July 12th, 2013 at 5:11:52 PM permalink
Quote: Mission146

Well, maybe not yelling, but my voice was definitely raised. The shot-taker was a total douche-sickle.

You were indeed yelling and for awhile there I almost thought I would get my money from you.
indignant99
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March 25th, 2015 at 5:49:56 AM permalink
Quote: slyther

I don't like the empty table because it plays too fast.


If it's truly empty, it doesn't play at all. If you're the only player, you can shoot at whatever slow pace you like.
Yeah, I made a mistake once. I thought I was wrong, when I actually wasn't. -Indignant
dicesitter
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March 25th, 2015 at 8:51:43 AM permalink
For me an empty table is like a tax refund, it just is the best of all
worlds.

I want to get a number of rolls in quickly to make adjustments
in set and location, then it is better to get a couple of people at the
table hoping to share more wins.


Interesting thing has been lately my first roll is the best I will have. In the past couple of weeks
I started with a 51, 24,25,34,28 and it seemed as the table filled up I did much worse.



dicesetter
RogerKint
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March 25th, 2015 at 9:08:03 AM permalink
Quote: dicesitter

For me an empty table is like a tax refund, it just is the best of all
worlds.

I want to get a number of rolls in quickly to make adjustments
in set and location, then it is better to a couple of people at the
table hoping to share more wins.


Interesting thing has been lately my first roll is the best I will have. In the past couple of weeks
I started with a 51, 24,25,34,28 and it seemed as the table filled up I did much worse.



dicesetter



LOL
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NokTang
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March 25th, 2015 at 10:41:06 PM permalink
Quote: RogerKint

LOL



It would be funny if not so sad.
RogerKint
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March 25th, 2015 at 10:41:59 PM permalink
Nope, still funny :)
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