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FatGeezus
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April 20th, 2013 at 8:09:51 AM permalink
Ahigh -

The purpose of the tournament would be to encourage more gamblers to play craps. To the uneducated player, craps seems like a very difficult game. The hardest part is to walk up to the table and make a bet.
That's how you learn the game.

Learning the game takes time.

You suggest changing the game. No 'come bets', changing the payoffs, etc.

Well guess what..You are not playing craps. You are playing a 'mutant' version of craps.

I have played in a craps tournament and it was very simple. The two players with the most amount of money advanced to the next round.
Ahigh
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April 20th, 2013 at 8:29:48 AM permalink
Quote: FatGeezus

Ahigh -

The purpose of the tournament would be to encourage more gamblers to play craps. To the uneducated player, craps seems like a very difficult game. The hardest part is to walk up to the table and make a bet.
That's how you learn the game.

Learning the game takes time.

You suggest changing the game. No 'come bets', changing the payoffs, etc.

Well guess what..You are not playing craps. You are playing a 'mutant' version of craps.

I have played in a craps tournament and it was very simple. The two players with the most amount of money advanced to the next round.



A craps tournament SHOULD be different from a craps LESSON. The rules of a craps tournament are NECESSARILY different from the rules of play real craps.

The singular purpose of the money taken out of each pay is simply to allow the house to make money while the player gambles.

There is absolutely no reason to have an edge in a game of craps for the purposes of a tournament. The reason why is because the "money" used in a tournament is not real, and an edge is simply not necessary.

So I disagree with your suggestion. Craps, the game (IE: the game that even pre-dates the name "craps"), predates casino craps. The fact is that casino craps is a mutant version of the craps that predates casino craps.

But you do have some very interesting perspectives, even if a little narrow minded.

I will agree, however, that the existing use of tournaments for craps is for marketing. But that's where I suggest that I think you are wrong. You seem to perceive it as it as something that can never change and something that is already as good as it can get.

I disagree firmly. Craps tournaments currently should not even be called tournaments. They should be called something else.

One definition of tournament is this: a trial of skill in some game, in which competitors play a series of contests.

There is no skill at all in any current craps tournaments.

If you remove the everything from the competition besides the throwing of the dice, or if you remove the house edge and allow players to bet without having any negative expectations from the bet, you can call it whatever you want, but the thing that would determine the winner could possibly be something besides pure luck. Even if it were only a slight improvement whatever the player were doing, if you finish with 1% more chips than the next guy, you win.

Then I would say that you have something that's a real tournament.
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MrV
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April 20th, 2013 at 9:48:53 AM permalink
One way to show that you are indeed "The Colonel of Craps" (pshaw, who wants to be a captain?) is to have shooters take turns calling their shots, then giving them a given number of opportunities to make it; make it and move on to the next round; fail and you are done.
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AcesAndEights
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April 20th, 2013 at 1:08:42 PM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

I'm guilty. I don't want people coming up to the table who are not players and start asking questions. Inevitably the question comes that leads to the word "devil" being uttered, and I am the most superstitious son-of-a-bitch you ever met at a craps table. No free lessons at my table please. Now if it's someone with money on the table, then ask all the questions you like.


Quote: Clownkeeper

Im also the same way. When Im not playing, I'd be more than happy to explain the game. Hell, I'd love a part time job just teaching the basics of the game in a casino. When Im playing however thats different. I usually have four bets on the table and I dont like the distraction of someone next to me asking alot of questions. It always amazes me that someone would go to Vegas and not learn the games and just make bets they have no clue on. (Unless "that guy" is the casino's "cooler")



Man, you guys sure are uppity*! I'm exactly the opposite, I love teaching craps to new players. Of course, it probably helps that I'm one of the least superstitious gamblers that I know. I don't care about saying "seven" at the table, although I try to respect other people who are superstitious by using "El Diablo" or "big red" or the like.

*said in jest
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AcesAndEights
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April 20th, 2013 at 1:09:44 PM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

My buddy orders a 7&7 when he plays craps. The only place he drinks them. He has just a basic knowledge if the game. No idea where he got the idea to do that.


Hehehehehe, I may have to get a 7 & 7 next time I play craps...works even better if you're playing the dark side!
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AZDuffman
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April 20th, 2013 at 3:15:45 PM permalink
Quote: AcesAndEights

Man, you guys sure are uppity*! I'm exactly the opposite, I love teaching craps to new players. Of course, it probably helps that I'm one of the least superstitious gamblers that I know. I don't care about saying "seven" at the table, although I try to respect other people who are superstitious by using "El Diablo" or "big red" or the like.

*said in jest



I like teaching if but the student must have a desire to learn for it to be fun. As I have stated most new players want a game they can learn in five minutes and takes less than one for a decision.

People like to learn when they are part of a crowd hooping it up at the win. Even then if gets hard. An example from this week:

Dice roll seven

"Yea Seven" (they don't realize puck is on)
"SEVEN OUT" (begin sweeping layout)
"But a minute ago you said seven was good"
"A minute ago it was good"

Then I re-explained it. Knowing players helped me. But they needed a mentor. It is very difficult to deal and teach at the same time.
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AcesAndEights
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April 20th, 2013 at 10:05:26 PM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

I like teaching if but the student must have a desire to learn for it to be fun. As I have stated most new players want a game they can learn in five minutes and takes less than one for a decision.

People like to learn when they are part of a crowd hooping it up at the win. Even then if gets hard. An example from this week:

Dice roll seven

"Yea Seven" (they don't realize puck is on)
"SEVEN OUT" (begin sweeping layout)
"But a minute ago you said seven was good"
"A minute ago it was good"

Then I re-explained it. Knowing players helped me. But they needed a mentor. It is very difficult to deal and teach at the same time.


Wait, you're not a dealer are you?
"So drink gamble eat f***, because one day you will be dust." -ontariodealer

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