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davper
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June 26th, 2015 at 8:47:09 AM permalink
An item taken out of its context and you want it to mean what?
TheWolf713
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June 29th, 2015 at 7:45:53 PM permalink
Quote: davper

I think you all are misunderstanding what DI is.

Based on my reading and other research, It is not to never roll a 7 as that is impossible. It is not to go on a 20+ roll everytime. It is to reduce the frequency on AVERAGE that the 7 appears and to increase the frequency on AVERAGE that another box number appears. Once you have this, you have change the advantage from the house to the shooter. That edge is still very small.

I am not a DIer but I am interested. What got me interested was watching a player on several occasions come to the table early before he went to work. Play a few hands and leave. During those hands I watched him set and roll the 6 & 8 with increased frequency over and over. He might roll 5 to 8 times before SO. But he would roll half those numbers on 6/8. And he knew that because he bet the 6 & 8 WOTCO and that was all he bet plus his passline bet to shoot.

He was not perfect. He lost his bets on a CO 7 or PSO on many occasions. But on average, it appeared to me, he rolled the 7 less and 6/8 more. So I started betting the 6/8 WOTCO and made money from him. That got me started on my research if it was possible. I am not there yet.

I have been practicing and I feel I am just a lucky rhythm roller. last month I rolled 50+ times over 40 minutes. But that is the exception. I have no real proven advantage. I may never gain an advantage.

This is not meant to change your mind about DI. You will need to see it for yourself before you believe it. But for me I think it is possible based on what I have seen at the table.

So I think your question should not be if a DI will break the record this year but will any player break the record. After 10 rolls, it is just luck at that point. Because even the best DIer (real or fictional) should roll a 7 by roll 7 on average.



I believe we have a pretty good idea of what it really is..

Phrases like "he knew"(#1 predicting dice fallacy), and "feeling lucky" while "practicing show me that DI is still going strong...

And yet this is a post that was made 2 years ago that no one has been able to produce evidence on...
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betwthelines
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July 5th, 2015 at 7:50:36 AM permalink
Quote: NokTang

What's in Albuquerque?...


Quote: AxelWolf

I'm not 100% sure, but its to my understanding that they have some no HA bets there...



as of mid december 2014, late feb/early mar 2015 and late mar/early apr 2015 at least three casinos in the albuquerque area offered free buys on the 4 & 10 (no HA , $5min $200 to $500 max)...to the best of my knowledge all three--and maybe more--still do offer those bets...you do, or may want to ask before placing your bets as it is not marked on the layout but they would pay it correctly even if you dont ask...(there is a casino in michigan--turtle creek---that has had these bets for over a decade, where "FREE BUY" is prominently marked in the 4 and 10 boxes, suggesting continued longevity and availablity)...

there were also rumors that earlier in 2014 that at least one--again maybe more-- of these albuquerque area places---santa ana star---had, in addition to the free 4 and 10, a free field bet (triple on BOTH 2&12) but i was never able to confirm this and these were not available during the time periods mentioned in my first sentence here, periods i was in the area...the venues with free 4/10s are santa ana star, route 66 and isleta resort...once again there's some reason to believe that there are other places in the area with such bets but i dont really know for sure...

hope this helps...

tom "home runs are sometimes boring" p
"You can't EXPECT to win. But you CAN play Tough"...tom p, 1974
AxelWolf
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July 5th, 2015 at 6:33:19 PM permalink
Quote: betwthelines

as of mid december 2014, late feb/early mar 2015 and late mar/early apr 2015 at least three casinos in the albuquerque area offered free buys on the 4 & 10 (no HA , $5min $200 to $500 max)...to the best of my knowledge all three--and maybe more--still do offer those bets...you do, or may want to ask before placing your bets as it is not marked on the layout but they would pay it correctly even if you dont ask...(there is a casino in michigan--turtle creek---that has had these bets for over a decade, where "FREE BUY" is prominently marked in the 4 and 10 boxes, suggesting continued longevity and availablity)...

there were also rumors that earlier in 2014 that at least one--again maybe more-- of these albuquerque area places---santa ana star---had, in addition to the free 4 and 10, a free field bet (triple on BOTH 2&12) but i was never able to confirm this and these were not available during the time periods mentioned in my first sentence here, periods i was in the area...the venues with free 4/10s are santa ana star, route 66 and isleta resort...once again there's some reason to believe that there are other places in the area with such bets but i dont really know for sure...

hope this helps...

tom "home runs are sometimes boring" p

(triple on BOTH 2&12) if someone could influence the dice wouldn't this be the place to go?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
MathExtremist
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July 5th, 2015 at 11:06:32 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

(triple on BOTH 2&12) if someone could influence the dice wouldn't this be the place to go?

Absolutely. The axial roll model minimizing 3s and 4s would have a positive edge for Field under virtually any degree of influence, even those insufficient to eliminate the edge on any other wager. You still need to make a line bet to shoot, but otherwise load up on the field.
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betwthelines
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July 6th, 2015 at 2:38:57 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: betwthelines

as of mid december 2014, late feb/early mar 2015 and late mar/early apr 2015 at least three casinos in the albuquerque area offered free buys on the 4 & 10 (no HA , $5min $200 to $500 max)...to the best of my knowledge all three--and maybe more--still do offer those bets...you do, or may want to ask before placing your bets as it is not marked on the layout but they would pay it correctly even if you dont ask...(there is a casino in michigan--turtle creek---that has had these bets for over a decade, where "FREE BUY" is prominently marked in the 4 and 10 boxes, suggesting continued longevity and availablity)...

there were also rumors that earlier in 2014 that at least one--again maybe more-- of these albuquerque area places---santa ana star---had, in addition to the free 4 and 10, a free field bet (triple on BOTH 2&12) but i was never able to confirm this and these were not available during the time periods mentioned in my first sentence here, periods i was in the area...the venues with free 4/10s are santa ana star, route 66 and isleta resort...once again there's some reason to believe that there are other places in the area with such bets but i dont really know for sure...

hope this helps...

tom "home runs are sometimes boring" p

(triple on BOTH 2&12) if someone could influence the dice wouldn't this be the place to go?


if you read closer, you will see that this bet is no longer available IF IT EVER WAS: from my perspective it always remained a "rumor" and i could never find it and inquiries about it both live at the tables and some telephone calls that i made to the pit at other places always brought on a "deer in the headlights" type reaction to the question...one pit critter (at santa ana i believe) did tell me over the phone that she "thought" they did have it at one time...

But the free 4 and 10 were still available (as of mid april) at all three places mentioned and i have reason to believe---but have not verified this---that it is available at other places in the albuquerque area....as for this being "the place to go" i think "yes" but it has nothing to do with "dice influencing"...IMO this is the place to go for the Tough Craps player, who's ONLY bets would be on the free 4 and 10...
tom "home runs are sometimes boring" p
"You can't EXPECT to win. But you CAN play Tough"...tom p, 1974

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