2013 BREAK 154!!!!!

Quote: AxelWolf

Afterwards they can then visit the other crazies over in Roswell at their annual, "I was probed by an alien convention."
You would probably have a hard time determining who is the craziest, either the DI's or the alien conspiracy theorists.

It's indeed strange how all the alien theorists have been beamed up and probed anally, returned back to earth with the horrid tales. It must be a rough world out there beyond Earth.

ps: Odds on(behind) the pass line or laying said odds on the don't pass have no house advantage. Some people still have a difficult time figuring that out but it remains true!

Quote: MrV

Altruism and Saving the World is all well and good, but please be careful: you don't want to become another Father Damien, the Belgian priest who dedicated his life to helping lepers in Hawaii, only to contract and die of leprosy.

Thanks for the heads up, but I doubt course and book sellers are going to attempt to kill me for stating the obvious. They prefer to call it "naysayers" or something like that, "some people refuse to understand" etc.. Cheers mate.

Quote: dicesitter

Noktang,,

My only point is this complete nonsense that a thrower has no influence on the out come.

The data I showed shows with 100% certainty that the set has an affect on numbers thrown, and it
will all day every day if your toss is consistent.

BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBut this does not dictate when a 7 comes up and it wont, it will
dictate the form of the 7 (6/1 3/4 etc. ) but influence without 7 control, which I don't think can be done
wont make you money.

Your only point is in fact complete nonsense. Doesn't make you a liar since you may honestly believe it. Much like those who have been to outer space and come back with sore arses and think an alien did it vs. some gang rape while drunk/drugged.

If it had an affect(effect? I can never get those two words right) on the numbers thrown, one could simply bet only those numbers(and not the others) and win in the long run as that would be "influence", despite your admitted randomness of the 7 appearing.

Quote: NokTang

It's indeed strange how all the alien theorists have been beamed up and probed anally, returned back to earth with the horrid tales. It must be a rough world out there beyond Earth.

If you are really curious about the probing thing, the Mayo clinic has a whole dept. of people who want to check manually for an enlarged prostrate. As far as I could tell there wasn't an alien among them. Just a bunch of gastroenterologists. A little advice, you always want to check the size of the hands of your GI Dr., If they look like they can pick up a basketball with one hand, run.

I can't believe it, every body in that friggin place wants to check. It's like whaa? Can't you people just talk to one another? I'll be trying to get the grease out of my bum for a week. I guess if aliens are going to abduct me, this is as good a week as any.

Quote: petroglyph

If you are really curious about the probing thing, the Mayo clinic has a whole dept. of people who want to check manually for an enlarged prostrate. As far as I could tell there wasn't an alien among them. Just a bunch of gastroenterologists. A little advice, you always want to check the size of the hands of your GI Dr., If they look like they can pick up a basketball with one hand, run.

I can't believe it, every body in that friggin place wants to check. It's like whaa? Can't you people just talk to one another? I'll be trying to get the grease out of my bum for a week. I guess if aliens are going to abduct me, this is as good a week as any.

Some doctors will use 2 fingers in case they want a second opinion.

Quote: mdh

Some doctors will use 2 fingers in case they want a second opinion.

I have learned enough about probing this week to last me a lifetime.

Quote: NokTang

It's indeed strange how all the alien theorists have been beamed up and probed anally, returned back to earth with the horrid tales. It must be a rough world out there beyond Earth.

ps: Odds on(behind) the pass line or laying said odds on the don't pass have no house advantage. Some people still have a difficult time figuring that out but it remains true!

But the initial bet does and thats all that matters.

But if you think about it if the DI's actually could influence the Dice they should nbe killing the tables because of that.

I think you all are misunderstanding what DI is.

Based on my reading and other research, It is not to never roll a 7 as that is impossible. It is not to go on a 20+ roll everytime. It is to reduce the frequency on AVERAGE that the 7 appears and to increase the frequency on AVERAGE that another box number appears. Once you have this, you have change the advantage from the house to the shooter. That edge is still very small.

I am not a DIer but I am interested. What got me interested was watching a player on several occasions come to the table early before he went to work. Play a few hands and leave. During those hands I watched him set and roll the 6 & 8 with increased frequency over and over. He might roll 5 to 8 times before SO. But he would roll half those numbers on 6/8. And he knew that because he bet the 6 & 8 WOTCO and that was all he bet plus his passline bet to shoot.

He was not perfect. He lost his bets on a CO 7 or PSO on many occasions. But on average, it appeared to me, he rolled the 7 less and 6/8 more. So I started betting the 6/8 WOTCO and made money from him. That got me started on my research if it was possible. I am not there yet.

I have been practicing and I feel I am just a lucky rhythm roller. last month I rolled 50+ times over 40 minutes. But that is the exception. I have no real proven advantage. I may never gain an advantage.

This is not meant to change your mind about DI. You will need to see it for yourself before you believe it. But for me I think it is possible based on what I have seen at the table.

So I think your question should not be if a DI will break the record this year but will any player break the record. After 10 rolls, it is just luck at that point. Because even the best DIer (real or fictional) should roll a 7 by roll 7 on average.

Quote: davper

I think you all are misunderstanding what DI is.

Based on my reading and other research, It is not to never roll a 7 as that is impossible. It is not to go on a 20+ roll everytime. It is to reduce the frequency on AVERAGE that the 7 appears and to increase the frequency on AVERAGE that another box number appears. Once you have this, you have change the advantage from the house to the shooter. That edge is still very small.

I am not a DIer but I am interested. What got me interested was watching a player on several occasions come to the table early before he went to work. Play a few hands and leave. During those hands I watched him set and roll the 6 & 8 with increased frequency over and over. He might roll 5 to 8 times before SO. But he would roll half those numbers on 6/8. And he knew that because he bet the 6 & 8 WOTCO and that was all he bet plus his passline bet to shoot.

He was not perfect. He lost his bets on a CO 7 or PSO on many occasions. But on average, it appeared to me, he rolled the 7 less and 6/8 more. So I started betting the 6/8 WOTCO and made money from him. That got me started on my research if it was possible. I am not there yet.

I have been practicing and I feel I am just a lucky rhythm roller. last month I rolled 50+ times over 40 minutes. But that is the exception. I have no real proven advantage. I may never gain an advantage.

This is not meant to change your mind about DI. You will need to see it for yourself before you believe it. But for me I think it is possible based on what I have seen at the table.

So I think your question should not be if a DI will break the record this year but will any player break the record. After 10 rolls, it is just luck at that point. Because even the best DIer (real or fictional) should roll a 7 by roll 7 on average.

You cannot understand what is not proven to exist. You can understand the theory, though. I think almost all the top math guys on here understand the theory of obtaining a math advantage from hand-to-eye coordination by using specific methods of throwing the dice. It's just that there is no game in the casino right now that is PROVEN to enable that to work in a way that is legal where the casino won't have a problem with what you're doing.

Legal throws to enable a mathematical edge are what's being debated, of course. Everyone here knows that sliding the dice is DI that's not legal and works. And the math is simple for a pair of dice where one of the two dice is known what face will resolve.

There are games coming, though, that are proven to enable this (skill from hand-to-eye coordination). Nevada even changed their gambling laws (Senate Bill 9) to clear the way for such games to be accepted.

Quote: davper

I have been practicing and I feel I am just a lucky rhythm roller. last month I rolled 50+ times over 40 minutes.

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An item taken out of its context and you want it to mean what?

Quote: davper

I think you all are misunderstanding what DI is.

Based on my reading and other research, It is not to never roll a 7 as that is impossible. It is not to go on a 20+ roll everytime. It is to reduce the frequency on AVERAGE that the 7 appears and to increase the frequency on AVERAGE that another box number appears. Once you have this, you have change the advantage from the house to the shooter. That edge is still very small.

I am not a DIer but I am interested. What got me interested was watching a player on several occasions come to the table early before he went to work. Play a few hands and leave. During those hands I watched him set and roll the 6 & 8 with increased frequency over and over. He might roll 5 to 8 times before SO. But he would roll half those numbers on 6/8. And he knew that because he bet the 6 & 8 WOTCO and that was all he bet plus his passline bet to shoot.

He was not perfect. He lost his bets on a CO 7 or PSO on many occasions. But on average, it appeared to me, he rolled the 7 less and 6/8 more. So I started betting the 6/8 WOTCO and made money from him. That got me started on my research if it was possible. I am not there yet.

I have been practicing and I feel I am just a lucky rhythm roller. last month I rolled 50+ times over 40 minutes. But that is the exception. I have no real proven advantage. I may never gain an advantage.

This is not meant to change your mind about DI. You will need to see it for yourself before you believe it. But for me I think it is possible based on what I have seen at the table.

So I think your question should not be if a DI will break the record this year but will any player break the record. After 10 rolls, it is just luck at that point. Because even the best DIer (real or fictional) should roll a 7 by roll 7 on average.

I believe we have a pretty good idea of what it really is..

Phrases like "he knew"(#1 predicting dice fallacy), and "feeling lucky" while "practicing show me that DI is still going strong...

And yet this is a post that was made 2 years ago that no one has been able to produce evidence on...

Quote: NokTang

What's in Albuquerque?...

Quote: AxelWolf

I'm not 100% sure, but its to my understanding that they have some no HA bets there...

as of mid december 2014, late feb/early mar 2015 and late mar/early apr 2015 at least three casinos in the albuquerque area offered free buys on the 4 & 10 (no HA , $5min $200 to $500 max)...to the best of my knowledge all three--and maybe more--still do offer those bets...you do, or may want to ask before placing your bets as it is not marked on the layout but they would pay it correctly even if you dont ask...(there is a casino in michigan--turtle creek---that has had these bets for over a decade, where "FREE BUY" is prominently marked in the 4 and 10 boxes, suggesting continued longevity and availablity)...

there were also rumors that earlier in 2014 that at least one--again maybe more-- of these albuquerque area places---santa ana star---had, in addition to the free 4 and 10, a free field bet (triple on BOTH 2&12) but i was never able to confirm this and these were not available during the time periods mentioned in my first sentence here, periods i was in the area...the venues with free 4/10s are santa ana star, route 66 and isleta resort...once again there's some reason to believe that there are other places in the area with such bets but i dont really know for sure...

hope this helps...

tom "home runs are sometimes boring" p

Quote: betwthelines

as of mid december 2014, late feb/early mar 2015 and late mar/early apr 2015 at least three casinos in the albuquerque area offered free buys on the 4 & 10 (no HA , $5min $200 to $500 max)...to the best of my knowledge all three--and maybe more--still do offer those bets...you do, or may want to ask before placing your bets as it is not marked on the layout but they would pay it correctly even if you dont ask...(there is a casino in michigan--turtle creek---that has had these bets for over a decade, where "FREE BUY" is prominently marked in the 4 and 10 boxes, suggesting continued longevity and availablity)...

there were also rumors that earlier in 2014 that at least one--again maybe more-- of these albuquerque area places---santa ana star---had, in addition to the free 4 and 10, a free field bet (triple on BOTH 2&12) but i was never able to confirm this and these were not available during the time periods mentioned in my first sentence here, periods i was in the area...the venues with free 4/10s are santa ana star, route 66 and isleta resort...once again there's some reason to believe that there are other places in the area with such bets but i dont really know for sure...

hope this helps...

tom "home runs are sometimes boring" p

(triple on BOTH 2&12) if someone could influence the dice wouldn't this be the place to go?

Quote: AxelWolf

(triple on BOTH 2&12) if someone could influence the dice wouldn't this be the place to go?

Absolutely. The axial roll model minimizing 3s and 4s would have a positive edge for Field under virtually any degree of influence, even those insufficient to eliminate the edge on any other wager. You still need to make a line bet to shoot, but otherwise load up on the field.

Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: betwthelines

as of mid december 2014, late feb/early mar 2015 and late mar/early apr 2015 at least three casinos in the albuquerque area offered free buys on the 4 & 10 (no HA , $5min $200 to $500 max)...to the best of my knowledge all three--and maybe more--still do offer those bets...you do, or may want to ask before placing your bets as it is not marked on the layout but they would pay it correctly even if you dont ask...(there is a casino in michigan--turtle creek---that has had these bets for over a decade, where "FREE BUY" is prominently marked in the 4 and 10 boxes, suggesting continued longevity and availablity)...

there were also rumors that earlier in 2014 that at least one--again maybe more-- of these albuquerque area places---santa ana star---had, in addition to the free 4 and 10, a free field bet (triple on BOTH 2&12) but i was never able to confirm this and these were not available during the time periods mentioned in my first sentence here, periods i was in the area...the venues with free 4/10s are santa ana star, route 66 and isleta resort...once again there's some reason to believe that there are other places in the area with such bets but i dont really know for sure...

hope this helps...

tom "home runs are sometimes boring" p

(triple on BOTH 2&12) if someone could influence the dice wouldn't this be the place to go?

if you read closer, you will see that this bet is no longer available IF IT EVER WAS: from my perspective it always remained a "rumor" and i could never find it and inquiries about it both live at the tables and some telephone calls that i made to the pit at other places always brought on a "deer in the headlights" type reaction to the question...one pit critter (at santa ana i believe) did tell me over the phone that she "thought" they did have it at one time...

But the free 4 and 10 were still available (as of mid april) at all three places mentioned and i have reason to believe---but have not verified this---that it is available at other places in the albuquerque area....as for this being "the place to go" i think "yes" but it has nothing to do with "dice influencing"...IMO this is the place to go for the Tough Craps player, who's ONLY bets would be on the free 4 and 10...
tom "home runs are sometimes boring" p