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NokTang
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March 26th, 2015 at 6:40:54 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf


Afterwards they can then visit the other crazies over in Roswell at their annual, "I was probed by an alien convention."
You would probably have a hard time determining who is the craziest, either the DI's or the alien conspiracy theorists.



It's indeed strange how all the alien theorists have been beamed up and probed anally, returned back to earth with the horrid tales. It must be a rough world out there beyond Earth.

ps: Odds on(behind) the pass line or laying said odds on the don't pass have no house advantage. Some people still have a difficult time figuring that out but it remains true!
NokTang
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March 26th, 2015 at 6:42:54 PM permalink
Quote: MrV

Altruism and Saving the World is all well and good, but please be careful: you don't want to become another Father Damien, the Belgian priest who dedicated his life to helping lepers in Hawaii, only to contract and die of leprosy.



Thanks for the heads up, but I doubt course and book sellers are going to attempt to kill me for stating the obvious. They prefer to call it "naysayers" or something like that, "some people refuse to understand" etc.. Cheers mate.
NokTang
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March 26th, 2015 at 6:51:49 PM permalink
Quote: dicesitter

Noktang,,

My only point is this complete nonsense that a thrower has no influence on the out come.

The data I showed shows with 100% certainty that the set has an affect on numbers thrown, and it
will all day every day if your toss is consistent.

BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBut this does not dictate when a 7 comes up and it wont, it will
dictate the form of the 7 (6/1 3/4 etc. ) but influence without 7 control, which I don't think can be done
wont make you money.



Your only point is in fact complete nonsense. Doesn't make you a liar since you may honestly believe it. Much like those who have been to outer space and come back with sore arses and think an alien did it vs. some gang rape while drunk/drugged.

If it had an affect(effect? I can never get those two words right) on the numbers thrown, one could simply bet only those numbers(and not the others) and win in the long run as that would be "influence", despite your admitted randomness of the 7 appearing.
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March 26th, 2015 at 6:53:07 PM permalink
Quote: NokTang

It's indeed strange how all the alien theorists have been beamed up and probed anally, returned back to earth with the horrid tales. It must be a rough world out there beyond Earth.



If you are really curious about the probing thing, the Mayo clinic has a whole dept. of people who want to check manually for an enlarged prostrate. As far as I could tell there wasn't an alien among them. Just a bunch of gastroenterologists. A little advice, you always want to check the size of the hands of your GI Dr., If they look like they can pick up a basketball with one hand, run.

I can't believe it, every body in that friggin place wants to check. It's like whaa? Can't you people just talk to one another? I'll be trying to get the grease out of my bum for a week. I guess if aliens are going to abduct me, this is as good a week as any.
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March 26th, 2015 at 7:52:04 PM permalink
Quote: petroglyph

If you are really curious about the probing thing, the Mayo clinic has a whole dept. of people who want to check manually for an enlarged prostrate. As far as I could tell there wasn't an alien among them. Just a bunch of gastroenterologists. A little advice, you always want to check the size of the hands of your GI Dr., If they look like they can pick up a basketball with one hand, run.

I can't believe it, every body in that friggin place wants to check. It's like whaa? Can't you people just talk to one another? I'll be trying to get the grease out of my bum for a week. I guess if aliens are going to abduct me, this is as good a week as any.

Some doctors will use 2 fingers in case they want a second opinion.
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March 26th, 2015 at 8:31:16 PM permalink
Quote: mdh

Some doctors will use 2 fingers in case they want a second opinion.



I have learned enough about probing this week to last me a lifetime.
AxelWolf
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March 26th, 2015 at 9:11:30 PM permalink
Quote: NokTang

It's indeed strange how all the alien theorists have been beamed up and probed anally, returned back to earth with the horrid tales. It must be a rough world out there beyond Earth.

ps: Odds on(behind) the pass line or laying said odds on the don't pass have no house advantage. Some people still have a difficult time figuring that out but it remains true!

But the initial bet does and thats all that matters.

But if you think about it if the DI's actually could influence the Dice they should nbe killing the tables because of that.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
davper
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June 26th, 2015 at 6:35:51 AM permalink
I think you all are misunderstanding what DI is.

Based on my reading and other research, It is not to never roll a 7 as that is impossible. It is not to go on a 20+ roll everytime. It is to reduce the frequency on AVERAGE that the 7 appears and to increase the frequency on AVERAGE that another box number appears. Once you have this, you have change the advantage from the house to the shooter. That edge is still very small.

I am not a DIer but I am interested. What got me interested was watching a player on several occasions come to the table early before he went to work. Play a few hands and leave. During those hands I watched him set and roll the 6 & 8 with increased frequency over and over. He might roll 5 to 8 times before SO. But he would roll half those numbers on 6/8. And he knew that because he bet the 6 & 8 WOTCO and that was all he bet plus his passline bet to shoot.

He was not perfect. He lost his bets on a CO 7 or PSO on many occasions. But on average, it appeared to me, he rolled the 7 less and 6/8 more. So I started betting the 6/8 WOTCO and made money from him. That got me started on my research if it was possible. I am not there yet.

I have been practicing and I feel I am just a lucky rhythm roller. last month I rolled 50+ times over 40 minutes. But that is the exception. I have no real proven advantage. I may never gain an advantage.

This is not meant to change your mind about DI. You will need to see it for yourself before you believe it. But for me I think it is possible based on what I have seen at the table.

So I think your question should not be if a DI will break the record this year but will any player break the record. After 10 rolls, it is just luck at that point. Because even the best DIer (real or fictional) should roll a 7 by roll 7 on average.
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June 26th, 2015 at 8:02:44 AM permalink
Quote: davper

I think you all are misunderstanding what DI is.

Based on my reading and other research, It is not to never roll a 7 as that is impossible. It is not to go on a 20+ roll everytime. It is to reduce the frequency on AVERAGE that the 7 appears and to increase the frequency on AVERAGE that another box number appears. Once you have this, you have change the advantage from the house to the shooter. That edge is still very small.

I am not a DIer but I am interested. What got me interested was watching a player on several occasions come to the table early before he went to work. Play a few hands and leave. During those hands I watched him set and roll the 6 & 8 with increased frequency over and over. He might roll 5 to 8 times before SO. But he would roll half those numbers on 6/8. And he knew that because he bet the 6 & 8 WOTCO and that was all he bet plus his passline bet to shoot.

He was not perfect. He lost his bets on a CO 7 or PSO on many occasions. But on average, it appeared to me, he rolled the 7 less and 6/8 more. So I started betting the 6/8 WOTCO and made money from him. That got me started on my research if it was possible. I am not there yet.

I have been practicing and I feel I am just a lucky rhythm roller. last month I rolled 50+ times over 40 minutes. But that is the exception. I have no real proven advantage. I may never gain an advantage.

This is not meant to change your mind about DI. You will need to see it for yourself before you believe it. But for me I think it is possible based on what I have seen at the table.

So I think your question should not be if a DI will break the record this year but will any player break the record. After 10 rolls, it is just luck at that point. Because even the best DIer (real or fictional) should roll a 7 by roll 7 on average.



You cannot understand what is not proven to exist. You can understand the theory, though. I think almost all the top math guys on here understand the theory of obtaining a math advantage from hand-to-eye coordination by using specific methods of throwing the dice. It's just that there is no game in the casino right now that is PROVEN to enable that to work in a way that is legal where the casino won't have a problem with what you're doing.

Legal throws to enable a mathematical edge are what's being debated, of course. Everyone here knows that sliding the dice is DI that's not legal and works. And the math is simple for a pair of dice where one of the two dice is known what face will resolve.

There are games coming, though, that are proven to enable this (skill from hand-to-eye coordination). Nevada even changed their gambling laws (Senate Bill 9) to clear the way for such games to be accepted.
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June 26th, 2015 at 8:14:02 AM permalink
Quote: davper



I have been practicing and I feel I am just a lucky rhythm roller. last month I rolled 50+ times over 40 minutes.

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♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪

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