## Poll

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dicesitter
Joined: Jan 17, 2013
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March 23rd, 2015 at 8:28:23 AM permalink
NokTang

Again... there is a vast difference in dice influence and dice control where you can beat the
casino when ever you want.....does not happen

Here is an example of what happens when you change sets which is an axis change...

9,9,6,8,7(3-4)

6,10,9,8,8,7(3-4)

change set

5,7(6-1)10,8,7 (6-1) 4 7 (6-1)
6,9,7 (6-1) 5,5,6

change back to original set

9,2,2,9,7 (3-4) 10
10,12,10,9,10,4

change set

5,6,3,5,8,3
8,7(6-1) 8 6 7(5-2) 5

this is an example of changes and norms for different sets where the dice
start and where the finish is changed by starting set

first set.....11 or 24 numbers over 8
second set 2 of 24 numbers over 8

first set ... all sevens are 3/4 4/3
second set 5 of 6 7/s are 6/1 1/6

It is easy to show influence over the dice with set and axis changes... but as this shows and it would not show
any different for a larger sample.........if you cant control the 7 you cant change the outcome of the game.

dicesetter
NokTang
Joined: Aug 15, 2011
• Posts: 1314
March 24th, 2015 at 9:44:45 PM permalink
Quote: dicesitter

this is an example of changes and norms for different sets where the dice
start and where the finish is changed by starting set

Thanks for being polite. However, you will only convince the most ignorant on the forum. I "bet" you will gladly play with my money to prove your point? and when "we" win want a share of the winnings?
dicesitter
Joined: Jan 17, 2013
• Posts: 1157
March 25th, 2015 at 7:16:00 PM permalink
Noktang

I am always polite, and my purpose in this whole thing is that people like you
and a number of others on here that are not polite are still and I am afraid will
always be confused with influence over control.

The data I presented shows clear influence and it will all day long, but as I said that does
not mean it will make you a winner at the table.

The only question I have is why are you and others afraid of that ?????

Dicesetter
MrV
Joined: Feb 13, 2010
• Posts: 7322
March 25th, 2015 at 7:28:19 PM permalink
Your "data" is meaningless and proves nothing.

Nobody influences or controls dem bones: they're engines of randomness.

Were it otherwise, the casinos wouldn't let guys like you set and waft the dice.

I guess we all choose our own delusions.
"What, me worry?"
NokTang
Joined: Aug 15, 2011
• Posts: 1314
March 25th, 2015 at 10:24:42 PM permalink
Quote: dicesitter

The data I presented shows clear influence and it will all day long, but as I said that does
not mean it will make you a winner at the table.

The only question I have is why are you and others afraid of that ?????

Dicesetter

It doesn't show a "clear influence" of anything. Of course if you can "influence" the outcome you can make money, be a winner.

We aren't afraid of anything related to your claims. We have a sense of caring about other people being taken advantage of which selling of said "influence" techniques certainly is doing i.e. the most gullible among mankind are your victims and we are just protecting them, it's our natural way to care about others.

If I'm dealing a deck of cards, an honest deck, one deck, and four aces have already been dealt....the fact that no more aces can be dealt from that deck proves nothing to anyone with an ounce of sense. Your "argument" is that knowing this proves something called "influence". But it doesn't. It's a straight forward reality. There are only four aces, all have been dealt. The next hand won't have an ace. So what? With dice however, you basically shuffle after each toss. We all know this and so do you.

Some NCAA basketball sweet 16 locks would be more useful at this point.
AxelWolf
Joined: Oct 10, 2012
• Posts: 20075
March 25th, 2015 at 11:06:31 PM permalink
Quote: dicesitter

Noktang

I am always polite, and my purpose in this whole thing is that people like you
and a number of others on here that are not polite are still and I am afraid will
always be confused with influence over control.

The data I presented shows clear influence and it will all day long, but as I said that does
not mean it will make you a winner at the table.

The only question I have is why are you and others afraid of that ?????

Dicesetter

No one but complete idiots are confused with DI an DC. It's obvious no one can control the dice. Some die-hards still think they can influence the dice slightly enough to beat the house, unfortunately that's not possible.

There's probably a few LUCKY guys that are ahead after many sessions and they still believe, eventually they lose and quit or you see them scrounging arounnd trying to find the smallest limits possible.

No one can explain why all the "good shooters" are not flocking to Albuquerque.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
NokTang
Joined: Aug 15, 2011
• Posts: 1314
March 26th, 2015 at 1:32:16 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

No one can explain why all the "good shooters" are not flocking to Albuquerque.

What's in Albuquerque ? Isn't that near Roswell?
dicesitter
Joined: Jan 17, 2013
• Posts: 1157
March 26th, 2015 at 7:59:25 AM permalink
Noktang,,

I am not selling anything nor I have ever sold anything. I am not suggesting you use any
particular set, throw any particular way. I don't care what you do.

My only point is this complete nonsense that a thrower has no influence on the out come.

The data I showed shows with 100% certainty that the set has an affect on numbers thrown, and it
will all day every day if your toss is consistent.

BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBut this does not dictate when a 7 comes up and it wont, it will
dictate the form of the 7 (6/1 3/4 etc. ) but influence without 7 control, which I don't think can be done
wont make you money.

The deck of cards has nothing to do with dice and what you are trying to say is if a player starts with a set
of 5's on top for each die and throws on average 70% numbers under 8 and then switches to a set with 2's on
top and consistently throws 70% numbers below 8 that the dice set makes no difference.

Not a human being alive would believe that unless your suggestion is I am lying when I provide the data.

Now if you cant believe actual data, that is not my fault,, if your calling me liar, then that's ok to, because it
suggests my data is solid or you would not assume it is impossible to honestly record.

dicesetter
MrV
Joined: Feb 13, 2010
• Posts: 7322
March 26th, 2015 at 8:46:50 AM permalink
Quote: NokTang

We have a sense of caring about other people being taken advantage of which selling of said "influence" techniques certainly is doing i.e. the most gullible among mankind are your victims and we are just protecting them, it's our natural way to care about others.

Altruism and Saving the World is all well and good, but please be careful: you don't want to become another Father Damien, the Belgian priest who dedicated his life to helping lepers in Hawaii, only to contract and die of leprosy.
"What, me worry?"
AxelWolf
Joined: Oct 10, 2012