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March 17th, 2015 at 12:52:17 PM permalink
Quote: dicesitter

I would make a wager with you that 154 roll is not broken in the next 20 years.

you mean in a real casino and not at my house?
I would win that bet

because I would pull a Frank Scoblete

and claim to the world that the record was broken
with not even an ounce of any proof required from the casino where it happened
remember
148 rolls, July 2005, Atlantic City

funny about that, I have been in AC a few times and asked around
no dealers or boxmen ever heard of that event
in this day and age
haha

Frank Scoblete
"As a writer, a teacher and a speaker, as a former actor, I crave the public performance. I want a readership, an audience. I like the spotlight on me."

gag me please!


oh, i will still bet you
because it will happen
just as Grandma Pat did it
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March 18th, 2015 at 7:52:06 AM permalink
Sally




I am 66 so I will bet you 154 will not be beaten in 20 years, hopefully I live long
enough to collect.

As far as what Frank said or did not say, I don't really care about that stuff. I have seen Frank
and Dom and most of the others shoot and all of them can influence the dice to one extent
or another, the one thing I have never seen any one do is control when the 7 comes up.

We all have had some interesting things in practice, I have had several rolls over 50 without a single
7....but the casino is a different animal..

Anyway I am willing to make a friendly wager.........

I don't think Pat has it in her to do it again


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March 18th, 2015 at 9:19:13 AM permalink
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As far as what Frank said or did not say, I don't really care about that stuff.

well, we have a bet then

how much?

FrankS claimed that Stanley's 118 roll record was smashed by a person playing at the same table he was at
not one ounce of proof exists (or 1/100 of an ounce)
proof exists of Stanley's and Pat's record

you want any proof you lost the bet?

I can also use a set of dice at my house that never throws a 7 and the record will be broken very quickly

you will lose your bet

one last chance to say no bet
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I don't think Pat has it in her to do it again
dicesetter

i meant someone like her will do it
not me, I think her name is Mary

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March 18th, 2015 at 7:48:28 PM permalink
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the dice vary more than they used to......


For a dice controller, on every roll you are closer to a 7 than is a random
player....



What do you mean by these statements? Thank you.
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March 19th, 2015 at 9:47:06 AM permalink
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1... dice...... the dice are not as consistent as they used to..... now I understand some casinos
will test them in their rotation and even measure them.. but that means nothing.... they don't test
the final resting place of the die, and without that you have no idea if they are balanced. In
addition many dice are water cooled which means that different parts of the dice cool before others.


Now in terms of dice control and the 7. most dice controllers used the hard way set, which is same numbers
on top such as 33. when you use the hard way and your dice have an on access finish, you can get 4/3/3/4, 5/2/2/5
since a hard 6 would be a perfect finish, every time your a tad off you will get a 3/4 4/3 if you are two faces off perfect
you get a 2/5 5/2..... a random roller is never any closer to a 7 no matter how he or she throws the dice.

If you are using a hard way set, and your on a 14 foot table, you throw the dice 8-9 feet and one die rotates only 1
face forward and the other back ..boom its a 7... two faces and 7..... for a random guy, the finish has no correlation
to the start. That's why I say a dice controller will never beat the record.

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March 19th, 2015 at 9:51:39 AM permalink
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First I am not Frank and your not Pat....

I make my money betting on myself, you make yours betting some one will not do well, certainly
these are different approaches to craps, and they both have their place.

Since I am very old and very poor I will go to the bank and borrow a $100 bill. This will
be our bet. I guess we will both have to agree on the validity of a breaking roll, I trust
myself to be honest and reasonable and therefore I will trust you.

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March 19th, 2015 at 10:30:27 AM permalink
Quote: dicesitter

you make yours betting some one will not do well,

not at all true

i bet that a shooter will not hit their point

every point to win is an underdog
so i go with what is to be expected (or just the averages)

i also feel by targeting certain male shooters my winning percentages are higher than the common dice percentages
just what it is, i feel lucky

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Since I am very old and very poor I will go to the bank and borrow a $100 bill. This will
be our bet. I guess we will both have to agree on the validity of a breaking roll, I trust
myself to be honest and reasonable and therefore I will trust you.

dicesetter

"very old and very poor" sounds like a winning combination to me
fyi, only borrow money if your interest rate = 0.0%
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March 19th, 2015 at 12:42:17 PM permalink
Sally




To me not making a point is not doing well... but that is a different story, I don't have any
problem with your play... if it works do it.....

Now while the $100 is a terrible burden on my standard of living, it is non the less
a reasonable amount as judged against the gravity of the event. It is my opinion the
efforts to break the 154 will take a very long caesura, leaving in its wake only the
payment options available to you.

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March 19th, 2015 at 8:09:28 PM permalink
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In addition many dice are water cooled which means that different parts of the dice cool before others.



That's true of fish as well. But a fish rots from the head down. How do you explain that?
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March 19th, 2015 at 8:16:15 PM permalink
Quote: dicesitter


If you are using a hard way set, and your on a 14 foot table, you throw the dice 8-9 feet and one die rotates only 1
face forward and the other back ..boom its a 7... two faces and 7..... for a random guy, the finish has no correlation
to the start. That's why I say a dice controller will never beat the record.

dicesetter



So the conclusion from the above is the "dice controller" is betting the don't pass? The come out roll, no control used. But after a point established, he/she can influence said die to come up on seven, thus the advantage he/she paid so dearly to be taught said technique ? Brilliant. The correlation gives him/her the advantage others don't have and haven't paid for.

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