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EvenBob
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April 2nd, 2013 at 6:44:45 PM permalink
Quote: Ahigh



Why you guys are still bringing the subject up is the real question.



Because it wasn't closed just because you gave your
opinion of it, you and the Masked King. Frank has
been around dice for decades, you've been at it a
couple years.
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Zcore13
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April 2nd, 2013 at 6:45:03 PM permalink
Harley did not just claim dice were bias. He claimed they were knowingly switched in and out of a game allowing the house to "fix" the game based on how they wanted certain numbers to hit. That is what I have said from the beginning is ridiculous. He claimed the house tracked the dice to know exactly what number the die(dice) were more likely to show. Harley named Casinos that he said did this.

Can a die wear out and possibly show a thousandth of a percentage different than a brand new one.. maybe. Is any U.S. Casino switching biased dice in and out to cheat players... NO WAY. I said it before Frank got here and I'll continue to say it until someone PROVES otherwise. Otherwise it's slander in my book.

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superrick
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April 2nd, 2013 at 6:59:28 PM permalink
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Zcore13
Harley did not just claim dice were bias. He claimed they were knowingly switched in and out of a game allowing the house to "fix" the game based on how they wanted certain numbers to hit. That is what I have said from the beginning is ridiculous. He claimed the house tracked the dice to know exactly what number the die(dice) were more likely to show. Harley named Casinos that he said did this.



No Harley didn't say that go back and reread what he wrote, he said the casinos are now using cheap dice that aren't balanced!
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Zcore13
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April 2nd, 2013 at 7:01:46 PM permalink
Quote: superrick

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Zcore13
Harley did not just claim dice were bias. He claimed they were knowingly switched in and out of a game allowing the house to "fix" the game based on how they wanted certain numbers to hit. That is what I have said from the beginning is ridiculous. He claimed the house tracked the dice to know exactly what number the die(dice) were more likely to show. Harley named Casinos that he said did this.



No Harley didn't say that go back and reread what he wrote, he said the casinos are now using cheap dice that aren't balanced!



Trust me. He did say that. We had a long discussion about it.

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AlanMendelson
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April 2nd, 2013 at 7:07:26 PM permalink
If i recall both Harley and Ahigh said that there was some sort of procedure for introducing biased dice when the table dumped too many chips. Ahigh even mentioned a casino by name. Harley on his website has been alleging for a long time that all casino dice are biased because pips don't melt. It would be interesting for these gentlemen to state their case again. Perhaps they want to change it now?
MrV
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April 2nd, 2013 at 7:44:54 PM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

It would be interesting for these gentlemen to state their case again. Perhaps they want to change it now?



Harley can't; he's been ...

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MathExtremist
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April 2nd, 2013 at 8:18:53 PM permalink
Quote: superrick

Quote:


Zcore13
Harley did not just claim dice were bias. He claimed they were knowingly switched in and out of a game allowing the house to "fix" the game based on how they wanted certain numbers to hit. That is what I have said from the beginning is ridiculous. He claimed the house tracked the dice to know exactly what number the die(dice) were more likely to show. Harley named Casinos that he said did this.



No Harley didn't say that go back and reread what he wrote, he said the casinos are now using cheap dice that aren't balanced!


That's not at all what he said. He said that the casinos were intentionally switching in biased dice at certain times according to a plan:
Quote: Harley

This is a good question (for someone "that does not understand how casinos work" ) .... Depends on the casino, but usually Table Games Supervisor or Security controls which dice are carried to the craps pit ... the Boxman is just a simple conduit doing as he is told by those above him .... Boxman usually receives a call from "above" as to which dice are to be played on which table (for example Sam's Town, Golden Nugget, etc.) or they follow a very strict game plan book (ie, Bellagio, Rampart, etc.)


Quote: me

Just so we're clear, you are alleging a widespread conspiracy that several (if not many) casinos are committing ongoing felonious fraudulent acts in dice games. What you describe is a blatant violation of several sections of NRS 465.


Quote: Harley

Simple answer - yes

"In my own case, when it seemed to me after a long illness that death was close at hand, I found no little solace in playing constantly at dice." -- Girolamo Cardano, 1563
AcesAndEights
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April 17th, 2013 at 1:24:49 PM permalink
Quote: Face

I began to respond, but in all honesty, the processing of your post completely shut down my brain. That's not your fault, I just lacked a proper way to address it. But I've let it marinate a few hours now, so here goes...

My first memory of you is you coming here and claiming you were the Master of Craps. No one in the world knew as much as you. Soon after, you began this quest for knowledge in this DI game.

You had my attention. Braggadocio aside, you certainly had the passion, the knowledge, and the equipment to do everything you said you would, and everything required from a math and science standpoint to make it a reality. I was hooked, and I know many others were as well.

Of course, you had your detractors. For reasons I didn't understand, the ferocious energy you had for Craps began to leak out and go in their direction. There was about, what, 5 people really griping your ass? But then again, you had a good 4 or 5 people on your side, and countless other lurkers on who were following your moves. It reminded me a lot of 98steps, whose Craps system drew a ton of heat, a lot of sour comments, but he kept his head down and carried on. I expected you to follow suit. But for some reason, comments from the peanut gallery completely shook you.

Within weeks, it had devolved from a serious Craps excersize to little more than a non-stop pissing match, with every single barb having to be answered for and challenged. It became a joke.

None of it; not the cancellation of your TV show, the shut down of the experiment, or this new smarmy, sarcastic version of Ahigh is anyone's fault but yours. Quite frankly, I don't understand a single bit of it. The Ahigh that caught my attention; the determined, curious, information seeking version I first knew, is completely gone. All we're left with is a guy that posts 100% sarcasm in every Craps thread there is.

If you still had that passion for the quest for knowledge you came here with, you'd still have it. 5 or 6 smartasses on the internet is going to change that? Pfft, c'mon bud. You don't owe us jack. We don't owe you jack. But to somehow imply or even honestly think that it is somehow the people of this board that stopped your quest for knowledge, well, that's a thought I literally cannot comprehend.

When people make grandiose claims here, 9 times out of 10 they will get challenged (the other 1 is ignored). The people who are honest and true weather the storm, gain respect and consideration by doing so, and they carry on. 98steps is a perfect example. He was wrong, but he completed his journey to knowledge, and did so, I think, in good standing with all here. It was long, at times tense, wasn't always pretty, but damnit, it got done, and plenty of people learned a shit ton of things about the game of Craps.

If you really are interested in what you claimed from the beginning, then the only thing stopping you is you. The same 5ish people will rag you, the same 5ish people will have your back, and the same handfuls of lurkers will lurk on in interest. But listen to me, Ahigh; you have the equipment and the passion to make your mark on the Craps world. And not some piss poor blurb in some lost article, but the biggest most definitive Craps experiment ever created. If not for allowing yourself to be distracted, you might already be there. And probably the saddest part of all, I don't see how you could fail. Even if you prove yourself wrong, Jesus Christ man, even if you prove it still inconclusive, the amount of information you could put out could last hundreds of years, the same as people still talk about Thorpe and will still talk about Thorpe for all these years and years to come. The fact that you blame a handful of poo-poo'ers for preventing you from continuing... I have to pretend it's a joke. Because if it's true, I find it crushingly sad.

"The saddest thing in the world is wasted talent" - Lorenzo Anello (Robert DeNiro) "A Bronx Tale"


I know I missed several weeks and I'm seriously bummed I wasn't here for Mr. Scoblete's active participation in the forum. But anyway, I'm catching up on it. Apologies the Wiz and the various mods for my various necro-posts and adding to more DI threads that were apparently dead.

But I just had to comment on this post from Face. It is an amazing post - I can't believe no one replied to it! This is exactly how I feel, to a T, about the last several months of DI bickering on this board.

Face, I think our brains work in a very similar way - would love to meet you over a beer or 6; hopefully some trips to Vegas will overlap someday in the future.
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Zcore13
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April 17th, 2013 at 1:34:48 PM permalink
I agree. Face's post got lost in the slew of bragging, challenging and chest thumping posts. It is well thought out and well stated.

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EvenBob
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April 17th, 2013 at 1:35:46 PM permalink
Where did Frank go? He hasn't posted in almost 10
days, though he checked the forum for many of
those days. I liked him..
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