Ahigh
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March 13th, 2013 at 11:14:16 AM permalink
For the first time, yesterday, I saw someone who I thought to myself, "this guy shoots better than me!"

Teddy saw this guy too.

I didn't like him though. He was annoying. I overheard him say on the phone about how he lost $5,000 in the last 48 hours.

He barely knew how to bet, though. It was somewhat hilarious how he could have a shot like that and not know how to bet.
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March 13th, 2013 at 11:42:09 AM permalink
Sounds like he was jus
Fighting BS one post at a time!
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March 13th, 2013 at 11:44:41 AM permalink
Quote: Ahigh

For the first time, yesterday, I saw someone who I thought to myself, "this guy shoots better than me!"

Teddy saw this guy too.

I didn't like him though. He was annoying. I overheard him say on the phone about how he lost $5,000 in the last 48 hours.

He barely knew how to bet, though. It was somewhat hilarious how he could have a shot like that and not know how to bet.



What?
Shoots what better than you?
If you talking about dice, I'll have to differ with you.
There's too many witnesses for you to get away with that one.

Give the person a break, as you well know sometimes,
it's easier to shoot when you don't have a lot of your own money
on the line. It's easier to wager when someone else is doing
all the work.
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March 13th, 2013 at 11:46:59 AM permalink
The significance of my claim is that for the first time, I had to admit to myself that I thought it was clear that he was shooting better than me.

I've seen guys who may in fact be better shooters than me, but it wasn't obvious if that was the case or not.

I couldn't convince myself that there was any chance in the world that I was a better shot than this guy.

He shot very similarly to me, yet better.

But at the same time, he seemed like he didn't have as much practice (from his betting and his comments to the dealers, not his shot)!

And he barely even knew how to bet or otherwise was putting on an act.

My judgements were based on what his dice did after they hit the felt and how he delivered his shots.

I am 100% sure that SOOPOO would have considered this shooters shots just as random as mine though, FWIW.
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March 13th, 2013 at 11:48:42 AM permalink
Humbling, ain't it
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March 13th, 2013 at 11:50:21 AM permalink
It was really kind of cool. I've always taken the perspective that it's possible that controlled shooting is possible and that nobody has done it yet because they aren't all that great at what they're doing.

This guy had a good shot from every angle that I personally consider a good shot.

And it looked better than mine!
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March 13th, 2013 at 12:07:14 PM permalink
You probably still have a better show than he does.
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March 13th, 2013 at 1:27:31 PM permalink
I wasn't jealous. Annoyed, I was annoyed. But nothing to do with how he threw the dice. He carried himself around like a movie-star almost. It was a little bit comical. I mean I think when he was on the phone, and five feet behind the table with $200 on the rail, he was thinking he was impressing somebody talking about larger amounts of money than what we could see in a tone where I assume he knew he was being overheard.

If he wasn't acting the way he was acting, I would have talked to him. But he was too busy thinking about himself to notice anyone else around him.

And he was somewhat of a kid. Maybe early 30's or late 20's.

Interesting anyway. I pegged him for a higher stakes poker or blackjack player taking a craps break and doing the best he could but not considering himself as good at craps as at other games.

I saw some other guy the other day who came in bragging about going down from $15,000 to $1,500 and back to $16,500 for a net $1,500 profit and talking about how the bets he was making at the time weren't important, but he was recovering from a hangover from being at the club at the Wynn or Aria I forgot. Some young kid. This guy sort of struck me as that same type. He was supposedly just there fooling around with pennies on his break.

But whatever the case was, it was interesting to me anyway.
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March 13th, 2013 at 1:45:12 PM permalink
One more flaw of a "shooter"... Bad betting habits

I am very leery of betting on someone who is "in the hole". Most of the time they are very fatigue from standing there too long..Their mindset is strictly on trying to get back even.. Seeing people in this situation gives me a little optimism of influence... Because these guys seem to "influence" their losses in a convincing fashion

Good shooters REALLY look like good shooters... They are always calm their bets are very sound, and they are winning... You won't see them losing money, because most good players will not stand around to see things go bad.. they will immediately walk away when things "turn the other way" so-to-speak.


Ahigh.. Whenever you think of questioning if the other guy is better just ask yourself this...

One of my favorite quotes

"If you are such a great shooter, why don't they have any money?"
"I'm a DO'er and you my friend, are a Don'ter" -Mark Walberg pain and Gain
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March 13th, 2013 at 2:07:00 PM permalink
Quote: TheWolf713

"If you are such a great shooter, why don't they have any money?"



Is that _really_ the quote. My English teacher would have pointed out that you and they don't match.

Here's a photo from lunchtime today for me that help explain why I don't always have a lot of money:



Buying....

Also, I just overheard what he was saying. He went from $40 to $200 on his roll with very minimal bets.

All while appearing like an amateur. Patrick (older Patrick) said "he didn't win an Oscar" referring to his acting.

Patrick is the same guy that usually says "change the dice" FWIW (along with Marco at lunchtime).
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March 13th, 2013 at 2:13:08 PM permalink
Quote: Ahigh



Here's a photo from lunchtime today for me that help explain why I don't always have a lot of money:
.



How many peoples grammar have you corrected today?
See anything wrong with your sentence? How embarrassing
for such a stickler as yourself..
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
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March 13th, 2013 at 2:17:53 PM permalink
Quote: Ahigh

I wasn't jealous. Annoyed, I was annoyed. But nothing to do with how he threw the dice. He carried himself around like a movie-star almost. It was a little bit comical. I mean I think when he was on the phone, and five feet behind the table with $200 on the rail, he was thinking he was impressing somebody talking about larger amounts of money than what we could see in a tone where I assume he knew he was being overheard.

If he wasn't acting the way he was acting, I would have talked to him. But he was too busy thinking about himself to notice anyone else around him.

Why should you be jealous?
You still have your friends,
Your job,
Your hair.
Hey the forties can be tough on a guy.

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March 13th, 2013 at 2:18:22 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

How many peoples grammar have you corrected today?
See anything wrong with your sentence? How embarrassing
for such a stickler as yourself..



Content! That's new for you, Bob. Nice!
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March 13th, 2013 at 2:25:41 PM permalink
I changed the quote to refer to the other person.. I am aware of the improper grammar...

Also what you and i consider money or a big win, might be a little different...

I'lll post my winnings on my next trip... It's what young rappers call "racks on racks".

And I usually don't brag, but I'm probably a better shooter than everyone on the forum..
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March 13th, 2013 at 2:36:49 PM permalink
Quote: Ahigh

Content!



If you can't structure a sentence correctly, where
do you get off correcting me and others. That was
my point.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
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March 13th, 2013 at 2:42:22 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

If you can't structure a sentence correctly, where
do you get off correcting me and others. That was
my point.



I would like to suggest that if you make fewer grammatical errors than I, you continue to correct mine. I shall not correct yours as doing so would be a full time job.

My structure was absolutely fine. I omitted a word.

Above is a question without a question mark. In general, punctuation is a foreign concept to you.

But the overriding point I was making in picking on your grammar was pointing out that you and Harley both have issues that are more similar than different.

People dismiss the both of your for similar reasons.

You both lack evidence of higher education.

Harley, at least, is aware and acknowledges his problem.

You, it seems, are in denial about it, and want to turn it into a fight.

Would you like to continue to fight about this Bob?

I'm game! Let's go!!!
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March 13th, 2013 at 2:57:01 PM permalink
If being in medical school at The University of Texas medical branch in Galveston is a lack of education, I am guilty as charged... Old guys love to correct grammar.. The truth is the truth, no matter how dumb it looks..
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March 13th, 2013 at 3:00:12 PM permalink
Lets get ready to RUMMMMMMMBLLLLE!!!! You guys are fighting for second and third place. I am clearly the king of bad grammar.
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March 13th, 2013 at 3:16:28 PM permalink
[ The Wolf713]And I usually don't brag, but I'm probably a better shooter than everyone on the forum..



I start to lose accuracy after about fifty feet.

I threw them the other day and they landed down at the roulette wheel.
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March 13th, 2013 at 3:25:09 PM permalink
Quote: petroglyph

[ The Wolf713]And I usually don't brag, but I'm probably a better shooter than everyone on the forum..



I start to lose accuracy after about fifty feet.

I threw them the other day and they landed down at the roulette wheel.




Haha!!!!

Yeah, I was just joking about the shooting thing..


But I laugh when guys try to correct grammar.. Yes we should know better, but then again most people should know that DI doesn't exist and some of these guys are over 40... They should have learned that wasn't true 15-20 years ago...
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March 13th, 2013 at 3:37:16 PM permalink
Quote: Ahigh



People dismiss the both of your for similar reasons.
!



Huh? Give it up, dude. In explaining yourself,
you do it again. Ever hear of proof reading? And not
all questions end in a question mark.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
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March 13th, 2013 at 3:49:35 PM permalink
I find it hilariously ironic,
the grammar police are on the wrong blog.
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March 13th, 2013 at 4:09:30 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Huh? Give it up, dude. In explaining yourself,
you do it again. Ever hear of proof reading? And not
all questions end in a question mark.



I don't like you. Here's an idea: stop addressing me!

This arguing about grammar would be anything that he could argue about, but it's all a tangent.

I really just don't value what Bob has to say in general.
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March 13th, 2013 at 4:16:13 PM permalink
Quote: Ahigh

I don't like you. Here's an idea: stop addressing me!



Here is another idea... stop replying!
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March 13th, 2013 at 4:16:42 PM permalink
Yeah, I guess I'll have to have an ignore list after all...
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March 13th, 2013 at 4:28:46 PM permalink
Quote: Ahigh

I don't like you. Here's an idea: stop addressing me!



You said in your last post: "I'm game! Let's go!!!"

Make up your mind. Sheesh.
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March 13th, 2013 at 4:30:05 PM permalink
Quote: thecesspit

Here is another idea... stop replying!



He started it by correcting my grammar, then
he did it to someone else. Do it to him and he
pitches a fit.
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March 13th, 2013 at 4:45:01 PM permalink
I nominate this as Best Thread of the Month.
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March 13th, 2013 at 4:59:42 PM permalink
Im just here to comment on the game of craps... Im not here to take another English class, or berate Anyone really... I merely want throw a different perspective out when I feel it's appropriate... Alot of other people in this forum are just readers of our comments... If they only have one side, they'll believe all the jargon you throw out as fact... But just as you dismiss me, there are others who private message me to get my perspective to become a better player.. Not here to make friends, or long life crap buddies, just using the platform to help where I can... They can listen to Peyton manning or Ron jaworski...
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March 13th, 2013 at 5:04:28 PM permalink
"I am 100% sure that SOOPOO would have considered this shooters shots just as random as mine though, FWIW. "

I am of the opinion than an EXCELLENT dice shooter is capable of losing in any casino in the world !
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March 13th, 2013 at 5:37:22 PM permalink
Quote: Buzzard

"I am 100% sure that SOOPOO would have considered this shooters shots just as random as mine though, FWIW. "

I am of the opinion than an EXCELLENT dice shooter is capable of losing in any casino in the world !



These dice guys kill me...
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March 14th, 2013 at 6:12:16 AM permalink
Quote: Ahigh

... You both lack evidence of higher education.

Harley, at least, is aware and acknowledges his problem.

You, it seems, are in denial about it, and want to turn it into a fight.

Would you like to continue to fight about this Bob?

I'm game! Let's go!!!


What the hades ?!! .... did my good buddy just call me a *RE*tard

Quote: Hangover

Doug: Either way, you gotta be super smart to count cards, buddy, okay?
Alan: Oh, really?
Doug: It's not easy.
Alan: Okay, well, maybe we should tell that to Rain Man, because he practically bankrupt a casino, and he was a retard.
Stu: What?
Alan: He was a retard.
Doug: [pronounces properly] *RE*tard.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1119646/quotes?qt=qt0553250]


The famous 15 second clip --

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjEAqrFmAXM

Quote: Indian Proverb

"Don't judge a man until you've walked two moons in his moccasins"

.... maybe you have only walked a half moon in my moccasins ...

I may not know as much about computers as you do and I am not an electrical engineer nor a video game wiz, but I had an academic scholarship, graduated top 1% of my class, went on 24 interviews and received 22 job offers because my sheep skin shines brighter than your sheep skin in any county in the world except Brazos County

..... so to borrow TheWolf's words if that "... is a lack of education, I am guilty as charged."
.... that is simply my opinion .... Ciao, Harley ... Link = http://crapsadvantageplayers.blogspot.com/
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March 14th, 2013 at 8:39:22 AM permalink
Quote: Harley

I had an academic scholarship, graduated top 1% of my class, went on 24 interviews and received 22 job offers because my sheep skin shines brighter than your sheep skin in any county in the world except Brazos County



If someone had bet me even money, I would have said you were well educated, and I would have laid odds that you were a lawyer ... are you or were you?
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March 14th, 2013 at 10:15:14 AM permalink
... sometimes it is better to play the blonde blond
.... that is simply my opinion .... Ciao, Harley ... Link = http://crapsadvantageplayers.blogspot.com/
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March 14th, 2013 at 11:35:01 AM permalink
Ahigh

I must say, this for me had to be one of your funniest post ever. If you ever fall off that pedestal that you put yourself on you’re going to break every bone in your body!

When you wrote about Harley before, didn’t you write that he didn’t want anybody to know anything about him, he doesn’t go around bragging about what he has done in life or what his education is. He doesn’t have to post photos of comp’s that he got, or where he has been. Now is he going to tell you what jobs he has held in life before he decided to leave the corporate world behind him? For you to make a assumption about anybody education is a joke, I’ve known some pretty smart people that couldn’t spell a thing, their grammar was atrocious and yet they had every kind of paper you could hang on a wall. My wife worked for plenty of them, before she retired as a secretary for one of the counties in Fla. She would be called on to proof read statements before they were released to the media! She never went to college, but was called upon to make others look smart!

I often joke with her, telling her that is why I married, so she could correct my spelling and grammar when ever I wanted to write that perfect letter or now Email! I know that I’m not a perfect writer, but I don’t call on her to make me look good in anybody’s eyes that post on any of these boards. Most readers would say that I couldn’t have written a post if I did that, because I know that I make mistakes in both grammar and spelling when I write, but I’ve always hated writing and have to force myself to write anything.

I do not text anybody, if you want to communicate with me please make that phone call and yes Ahigh I love using !!!!!!!!!! to make a point, even when I know that its wrong!!!!!!!!!!

I’ve always said that you can learn from everybody, even somebody that is mentally handicapped, if you take the time to understand what they are saying. I have a deep compassion for anybody that is mentally handicapped, because they have people that think they don’t know a thing and they have nothing to give to this world. They have to overcome what others think of them everyday, with there small little minds, thinking that they are better then the others around them!

The next time you write about somebody’s education you should take the time to find out what it really is!
By the way if you want to question my education it was a trade school with a high school diploma that allowed me to work in the highest paying trade there is. That trade also allowed me to make in the six figure bracket every year, now they tell me that some lawyers don’t even make that. I have to remind my son of that all the time and even your buddy VDC, as the both work in the same trade that I did! The next time you step on a elevator or escalator here in Vegas think about me, because I probably worked on it, as your buddy VDC can testify to that, as he just sent me a picture of one that I signed, to make it easier for those that came behind me, to know that I replaced the parts in a switch, that is the most common failuer on all evevators, that was back in 2008!
That is the reason, I'm known as superrick. It has nothing to do with craps, it has to do with fixing evevators that other coundn't fix. The name stuck when a helper of mine called me that at a craps table!

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March 14th, 2013 at 11:50:03 AM permalink
Ahigh,


So now that everyone has put their Johnson on the table, let's get back to craps. Without all of the theatrics..

I say this alot, i believe you put out good info from time to time (an bad but nobody is perfect)..and I'm sure every one wants to give their perspective.. This is a good forum, constructive criticism is good.
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March 14th, 2013 at 1:46:31 PM permalink
Quote: Ahigh



You both lack evidence of higher education.
!



Admittedly I only went to state colleges, and
that was in the late 60's and very early 70's
when a college education still meant something.
If its not evident in how I express myself, then
its not. I didn't know this was a contest, nobody
informed me..
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March 14th, 2013 at 2:15:41 PM permalink
Just real succinctly, the keyword is evidence.

I'll be more specific, and I'm not picking on Harley. I tell him this to his face. When the stuff that you post on your blog or wherever else is troubled with obvious flaws, your work comes across as not being well researched.

People, I personally believe, can and do absolutely 100% dismiss things that come from Harley.

They do the same thing to EvenBob.

If the response from Harley and/or SuperRick is that it's a flaw of mine that I am putting myself up on a pedestal, I think there's a misinterpretation of my message.

People do and did the same thing to me when I claimed that you could get a 1.00% edge on a bet that wins half the time by betting a quarter on the 4 and a quarter on the ten and taking them both down in the win. They said I wasn't educated enough to know what I was talking about.

This is the effect that I am talking about. Right or wrong, when you lack the evidence of being educated, you are often summarily dismissed regardless of content.

When Harley makes claims that something has been proven without having a clear concise well documented body of evidence (including your identity and credentials), that's an example of where people tend to discredit some of the other things that he is saying.

It's just like when someone comes to the forum with a gambling system, and they make a you tube video with a thick southern drawl, and make excuses about their buddy who didn't get their computer working to run the simulation, but they hope it all works.

There aren't going to be a whole lot of scientific minds that are waiting on the edge of their seat for the final results once the computer guy gets his computer fired up to see if the system works or not.

Similarly, if you have a big chunk of content with lots of incorrectly spelled words and other evidence that indicates that you might not be all that lurnd, people are going to dismiss much of your claims.

It is just that simple.

And that's my point.

And I stick by it. Now I'm not calling Harley a retard. When I met him in person, he seemed to be a lot different than the image I had of him before I met him.

But at the same time, I really think that SuperRick is taking more issue towards what I am saying than Harley.

Because I think that Harley, frankly, is a nice guy and doesn't take my comments personally. I'm trying to just make the point here of how other people discredit based on things besides what you believe; sometimes it's how you came to believe something or what your known identity and credentials are that matters more to them than what the content of the belief is and whether or not it is possibly true.
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March 14th, 2013 at 2:19:44 PM permalink
getting back to dice:

Ahigh how did you reach the conclusion that he is a better shooter than you? Did he hit more numbers, more hardways, have a longer roll, keep the dice on axis, what??
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March 14th, 2013 at 2:22:42 PM permalink
Quote: TheWolf713

Ahigh,


So now that everyone has put their Johnson on the table, let's get back to craps. Without all of the theatrics..

I say this alot, i believe you put out good info from time to time (an bad but nobody is perfect)..and I'm sure every one wants to give their perspective.. This is a good forum, constructive criticism is good.



I appreciate the comments, yes, let's do get back to craps.

So who else wants to take on a challenge have a good seven to rolls ratio on a live broadcast.

Don't forget, even though it was for money, I've done it multiple times and I have video of it.

Even if it takes a couple of times, money or no money, it would be great if somebody besides me could demonstrate their ability to meet the challenge.
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March 14th, 2013 at 3:09:45 PM permalink
Quote: Ahigh



I am 100% sure that SOOPOO would have considered this shooters shots just as random as mine though, FWIW.



Thanks for saving me the time! As I've told you, and those who ask about you, ..... you have developed quite a bit of skill. You can land both dice in a genral area, at around the same velocity, and have them pretty reliably bounce high enough to not hit the pyramids. I do not believe that skill in any way changes the random nature of the final number shown, but it certainly is a talent that you have developed.
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March 15th, 2013 at 9:38:56 AM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

Thanks for saving me the time! As I've told you, and those who ask about you, ..... you have developed quite a bit of skill. You can land both dice in a genral area, at around the same velocity, and have them pretty reliably bounce high enough to not hit the pyramids. I do not believe that skill in any way changes the random nature of the final number shown, but it certainly is a talent that you have developed.



Yeah this other guy was doing the same thing and having fantastic results. It was almost an out-of-body experience for me to see what looked like my own shot coming from someone else's hands.

Random or not, it was weird.

Too bad the guy was also as annoying as me too. Otherwise we might have said more to each other.

I didn't bet his first roll. But I won $5 on his second roll just dipping a toe in.

When he hit a hardway, I went from $1 to $2 and he told me "should have taken it to $25."

His next roll was a seven. I didn't say anything mean to him, but his cocky attitude was at it's peak then.

So yeah, he might have been even more annoying than me. I am generally nice to everybody and usually just asking if everybody is having fun when I'm rolling well.
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