AndyGB
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March 8th, 2013 at 2:22:11 PM permalink
I was thinking about dice influencing, you know, for craps. As you can see I'm a new member, so I haven't wanted to butt into the discussions too much, but I had an idea the other day in the sub-sub-topic about whether getting results at home is worthwhile for the aspiring dice influencer. I was thinking about a comparison to blackjack card counting, particularly reading the report of one member's participation in a competition. Seems to me it's pretty reasonable to practice card counting at home on your own. And to have someone test you/time you at home. And to compete against others in an isolated event and etc. And that none of that is necessarily a 1:1 correlation with sitting down at the table with your own money on the line. Still, if you won a card counting competition with a great time or the most accurate count or etc, no one would say "You're not a card counter because you weren't betting hands of blackjack while you were doing it, there was no drunk blowing smoke in your face, or pit boss eyeing you." They might say you're not an AP, but the skill would still be there. Obviously this is not a 100% apt analogy because DI may not exist in a measurable degree. But it seems clear that the argument that 'if you can't do it at a casino you can't do it at all' falls apart when you look at other examples like this.
FleaStiff
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March 8th, 2013 at 2:32:24 PM permalink
Card counting at blackjack requires focus and concentration and is therefore a skill which indeed can be weakened by "the buzz" of the casino. All that pounding music, clanging slot machines and gorgeous girls have an effect on skills that renders casino performance levels far lower than home-tested recreation room performance.

The trouble is that Dice Influencing, if it exists, is a non-mental skill that is subject to the casino's "heat" in the terms of TIME. If you take so long to set those dice, you get to irritate the Box Man and that is sufficient proof for most.
1BB
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March 8th, 2013 at 3:15:52 PM permalink
Quote: AndyGB

I was thinking about dice influencing, you know, for craps. As you can see I'm a new member, so I haven't wanted to butt into the discussions too much, but I had an idea the other day in the sub-sub-topic about whether getting results at home is worthwhile for the aspiring dice influencer. I was thinking about a comparison to blackjack card counting, particularly reading the report of one member's participation in a competition. Seems to me it's pretty reasonable to practice card counting at home on your own. And to have someone test you/time you at home. And to compete against others in an isolated event and etc. And that none of that is necessarily a 1:1 correlation with sitting down at the table with your own money on the line. Still, if you won a card counting competition with a great time or the most accurate count or etc, no one would say "You're not a card counter because you weren't betting hands of blackjack while you were doing it, there was no drunk blowing smoke in your face, or pit boss eyeing you." They might say you're not an AP, but the skill would still be there. Obviously this is not a 100% apt analogy because DI may not exist in a measurable degree. But it seems clear that the argument that 'if you can't do it at a casino you can't do it at all' falls apart when you look at other examples like this.



When you practice card counting at home do it with loud TVs, radios, screaming kids, barking dogs and anything else you can think of. It will prepare you for the real thing. Don't get too hung up on how fast you can count down a deck. As long as you can keep up with the dealer you'll be fine and you have some control over that.
Many people, especially ignorant people, want to punish you for speaking the truth. - Mahatma Ghandi
TheWolf713
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March 8th, 2013 at 4:23:17 PM permalink
@AndyGB


First let me start by saying that no matrer how much you try to "influence" the dice, they are random.. Don't "buy-in" (pun intended) to the DI stuff..

You can practice at home everyday throwing dice, but unless the conditions are and exact replica of the casino, it will do little good.. For example, if you practice shooting from SL1, you would have to have a person simulate being the stick man standing next to you... There is a big difference in throwing how you want to throw and having a jack a** stick man leaning forward next to you... Then there's pay out time, the little old lady making the 5 dollar hardway bet, and the notorious 5000-15000 cash buy in, dead in the middle of your hot roll (get a marker jerk!!!).

At home you can seven out and get your dice and start shooting again... But will you simulate waiting 45-90 minutes in intervals waiting to get them back? That's 90 minutes of physical standing, with the temptation to bet every roll.. All discipline.. Not to even mention the money decisions that most "DIs" face. (they lose so much money on themselves and bet bad on others, that by the time they have a good roll, there bankroll is so low, that they cannot even capitalize)

I truly do believe that practice is the key to success.. Throwing at home will give You confidence, but it doesn't always translate to live tables. You should practice more on betting versus throwing the dice..

Quote for today
"If you can believe in dice control, Well believe I have a nice beach house in Idaho, that would fit you perfectly.." -the wolf
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EvenBob
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March 8th, 2013 at 4:31:33 PM permalink
From my experience, if you have a certain amount of
expertise at a casino game when you play at home,
you lose about 20% of it in the casino. There are
just too many distractions that you can't tune out.

Paying the TV loud at home is not the same as what
goes on in a casino. Other people being near you,
bumping into or brushing by you, the suits walking
around in the pit, all the activity in your peripheral
vision, all that stuff really plays hell with your ability
to concentrate.
"It's not enough to succeed, your friends must fail." Gore Vidal
Buzzard
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March 8th, 2013 at 4:43:55 PM permalink
Playing at home versus in a casino is like playing miniature golf to get ready for the Masters.

No telling how many pool players I hustled who shot better than me.

Until money was on the line !
Shed not for her the bitter tear Nor give the heart to vain regret Tis but the casket that lies here, The gem that filled it Sparkles yet
Ahigh
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March 8th, 2013 at 4:52:45 PM permalink
There are a lot of variables. The more variables you make the same at home as in the casino, the more meaningful your practice will be.

Those who say it is meaningless are wrong.

Those who say that it is the same are wrong.

It's very obvious that the practice means more the more similar the details of the characteristics are.

The fact that some people believe practicing at home has zero value simply tells me they believe in falsehoods.
Harley
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March 8th, 2013 at 8:46:18 PM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

Card counting at blackjack requires focus and concentration and is therefore a skill which indeed can be weakened by "the buzz" of the casino. All that pounding music, clanging slot machines and gorgeous girls have an effect on skills that renders casino performance levels far lower than home-tested recreation room performance.

The trouble is that Dice Influencing, if it exists, is a non-mental skill that is subject to the casino's "heat" in the terms of TIME. If you take so long to set those dice, you get to irritate the Box Man and that is sufficient proof for most.



Holy shxt .... this could not be more wrong ... Flea-Stiff - have you ever thrown the bones before ? .... doesn't sound like it, except maybe chunkin' it like the finger' snappers .... as Yogi said - and he was talking about Dice Derandomization tossing:
Quote:

Ninety per cent of the game is half mental

.... that is simply my opinion .... Ciao, Harley ... Link = http://crapsadvantageplayers.blogspot.com/

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