Writing numbers
February 21st, 2013 at 11:11:48 AM
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Well, I am contemplating writing. I have considered lots of possibilities, but I settled on Precise V5 (extra fine) pen and little mini post-it notepad for writing on. The idea is that after recording rolls into the computer I will throw away the post-it notes. I don't want a notebook for the long term.
I will also make a little thing that makes a flat surface for the post-it note so I can just have 2 or 3 post-it notes at a time instead of a whole pad. I really hate the idea of writing stuff down at the table, but I am going to try to make this as discrete as I can (IE: super small). I may try to find wood-grained colored paper or something.
I will also make a little thing that makes a flat surface for the post-it note so I can just have 2 or 3 post-it notes at a time instead of a whole pad. I really hate the idea of writing stuff down at the table, but I am going to try to make this as discrete as I can (IE: super small). I may try to find wood-grained colored paper or something.
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February 21st, 2013 at 11:53:40 AM
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Not that it's relevant ... I keep a partial pad of the 1.5"x2" Post-it Notes conveniently at hand in my business card case. But I write with a fountain pen -- not the least bit discrete. If people's eyes don't bug out at the sight of a fountain pen nib, then the bright green ink I use tends to be the shocker. No, I don't record a bunch of craps numbers on tiny note paper, probably because I don't have any use for them once recorded.
February 21st, 2013 at 12:35:37 PM
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Quote: AhighI have considered lots of possibilities, but I settled on Precise V7 (extra fine) pen and little mini post-it notepad for writing on.
It might be good to try the Uniball Vision Elite Micro A lot of pen fanatics prefer it over the Precise V5 (the finer, 5mm version of the Precise V7). I would be happy to give you one to try out on my next Vegas Visit.
Also, my roll recording sheet can be cut or folded in half to make it even smaller (although it would better to re-design it for such a purpose). It would be easy to make a low-key black binder that is half the height of the one that I currently use, which is 5 5/8" high x 2 3/8" wide. That modification would create a binder with dimensions of about 2 3/4"h x 2 3/8"w, with four recording pages.
All four of the pages are part of one larger sheet, so they are captive to each other, and there is no chance that one of them would fall off and get lost. When you are ready to record the numbers, simply remove the sheet from the binder and unfold it so that all pages can be viewed at once.
Of course, these removable sheets can be thrown away after one has entered the data into a computer.
I have tried a variety methods of roll recording, and I have found this binder and removable sheet system to work best.
February 21st, 2013 at 12:44:31 PM
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Could you use a smartphone app, and just keep the phone in your jacket pocket, tapping the numbers sight unseen?
Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication - Leonardo da Vinci
February 21st, 2013 at 1:20:46 PM
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What about those little pens they give out at the sports book?
Just make your own notepad with a piece of light cardboard and one or two sheets of paper attached.
Just make your own notepad with a piece of light cardboard and one or two sheets of paper attached.
"Dice, verily, are armed with goads and driving-hooks, deceiving and tormenting, causing grievous woe." -Rig Veda 10.34.4
February 21st, 2013 at 2:05:55 PM
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No, you're right I got the V5's. I am just trying to condense this down as much as possible and make it small enough not to be in the way of anything.
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February 21st, 2013 at 2:18:58 PM
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I buy strictly cheap, disposable pens only. But if you want a pen that will write without fail, in any circumstance and in any position, get a Fisher Space Pen.
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February 21st, 2013 at 2:44:35 PM
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Ahigh,
Do you really feel the need to brag about the expensive pen you are using in your foolhardy dice influencing "experiment"?
What's next, a thread about which pair of $400 shoes are most comfortable to stand around the table?
In my opinion, the lengths you are going to get attention here are becoming embarrassing.
Do you really feel the need to brag about the expensive pen you are using in your foolhardy dice influencing "experiment"?
What's next, a thread about which pair of $400 shoes are most comfortable to stand around the table?
In my opinion, the lengths you are going to get attention here are becoming embarrassing.
February 21st, 2013 at 2:49:16 PM
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The 375 Bullet Pen looks like a real eye catcher. Imagine seeing that at the table. Wow. But no, the reason I got the V5 is so that I can write on such a small little piece of paper is all.
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February 21st, 2013 at 2:50:10 PM
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Quote: sodawaterAhigh,
Do you really feel the need to brag about the expensive pen you are using in your foolhardy dice influencing "experiment"?
What's next, a thread about which pair of $400 shoes are most comfortable to stand around the table?
In my opinion, the lengths you are going to get attention here are becoming embarrassing.
Thanks for what I am absolutely certain is very genuine concern for my well being. Why don't you add your little quips to some other posts somewhere? You contributions are generally among those that lessen the quality and entertainment of the discussions that I enjoy participating in.
In addition, if you think I'm bragging about buying a $2 pen, I think this reflects more on you than on me.
The reason why I want to put some time in, though is to not be noticed by the pit crews. I don't really like being one of "those guys" nor do I want to use a pen that gets a lot of attention. That's the whole point, in case you missed it, as you so often do.
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February 21st, 2013 at 4:55:40 PM
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Nasa spent over a million dollars researching a pen that would write in space, upside down, zero gravity and super cold temperatures.
The Russians spent five dollars and came up with a pencil.
The Russians spent five dollars and came up with a pencil.
February 21st, 2013 at 5:01:05 PM
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Quote: petroglyphNasa spent over a million dollars researching a pen that would write in space, upside down, zero gravity and super cold temperatures.
The Russians spent five dollars and came up with a pencil.
WRONG!
http://www.snopes.com/business/genius/spacepen.asp
February 21st, 2013 at 5:13:13 PM
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Quote: petroglyphNasa spent over a million dollars researching a pen that would write in space, upside down, zero gravity and super cold temperatures.
The Russians spent five dollars and came up with a pencil.
That's a cheap myth :P
Actually NASA used mechanical pencils (wood pencils produce wood shavings, which are not a good thing to have floating around a capsule). Fisher financed development of the Fisher Space Pen. The trick is rather simple. The cartridge is filled with a kind of very viscous printers ink, akin in consistency to rubber cement. It's pressurised with Nitrogen so the ink gets forced out. This allows the pen to work independent or contrary to gravity.
As I recall, the Soviets bought some for their space program too.
Donald Trump is a fucking criminal
February 21st, 2013 at 5:20:01 PM
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Quote: NareedThat's a cheap myth :P
Actually NASA used mechanical pencils (wood pencils produce wood shavings, which are not a good thing to have floating around a capsule). Fisher financed development of the Fisher Space Pen. The trick is rather simple. The cartridge is filled with a kind of very viscous printers ink, akin in consistency to rubber cement. It's pressurised with Nitrogen so the ink gets forced out. This allows the pen to work independent or contrary to gravity.
As I recall, the Soviets bought some for their space program too.
I was given a Fisher Space Pen about a decade ago. Still works, though I rarely use it. More a keepsake now. Coolest writing instrument I have ever owned.
February 21st, 2013 at 5:20:52 PM
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Somewhere, I've seen special pens which write on special paper with no ink, but electronically records what you're writing.
I am a robot.
February 21st, 2013 at 5:35:26 PM
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I was just recalling from memory and trying to inject a little humor into what I now realize is a totally serious discussion about writing instruments and which might be best for Aaron to use to record discreetly his craps points so he won't be noticed at the casino's. My bad. I know now if he get's the right pen [instead of a pencil] he'll be able to record number's from space.
Petro
Petro
February 21st, 2013 at 5:46:09 PM
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Here's my simple setup. And yes my goal is to fit on the rail really nice and have a tiny area to write with a really fine marking pen. But the goal is to take the least amount of space on the rail and yet a firm surface to get good solid footing for writing with one hand.
I don't care to have a multi-page notebook with history. I want all that on computers. And I can just slap a new little post-it note specific to each shooter on the table and swap those out from a pad in my pocket.
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February 21st, 2013 at 5:52:15 PM
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The Pied Piper really led you guys off the cliff with this one...it went from James bond secret crap pens to space pens.. Maybe I'm wrong for actually reading it... SMH
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February 21st, 2013 at 5:54:00 PM
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Quote: AhighHere's my simple setup. And yes my goal is to fit on the rail really nice...
Very clever chip rail bracket!
February 21st, 2013 at 5:58:35 PM
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Looks like you'll want some rubber feet or something else tacky to keep the teeny desk from sliding around in the chip rail; maybe a little bit of that stuff you put under carpets to keep them from sliding around, cemented on to the round part?
February 21st, 2013 at 9:39:00 PM
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Geez.
You know, the crew doesn't care if you carry a fricking notebook with you and record your numbers. It's not illegal and the crew would just think you're another yahoo that believes that dice has history. The fact that you try and make it discrete just garnishes more attention. I put a bias chart in another thread that shows the binomial distribution results after x number of rolls. You could print that out and bring it with you. They wouldn't care. Really, people taking notes at the craps table is not out of the ordinary, at all. It's akin to keeping track of roulette or baccarat numbers. The casino staff believe that the rolls are random and they (meaning the folks that actually analyze the game above the crew) firmly believe that they have enough controls in place to keep it that way.
Something that fits in your pocket is fine. Really, 20+ posts about a notebook?
You know, the crew doesn't care if you carry a fricking notebook with you and record your numbers. It's not illegal and the crew would just think you're another yahoo that believes that dice has history. The fact that you try and make it discrete just garnishes more attention. I put a bias chart in another thread that shows the binomial distribution results after x number of rolls. You could print that out and bring it with you. They wouldn't care. Really, people taking notes at the craps table is not out of the ordinary, at all. It's akin to keeping track of roulette or baccarat numbers. The casino staff believe that the rolls are random and they (meaning the folks that actually analyze the game above the crew) firmly believe that they have enough controls in place to keep it that way.
Something that fits in your pocket is fine. Really, 20+ posts about a notebook?
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February 22nd, 2013 at 7:38:15 AM
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Quote: boymimboReally, 20+ posts about a notebook?
It's not a notebook and many of the points that you made about this thread could be made to the ENTIRE FORUM by "normal" people who aren't into gambling, clearly making you one of those yahoos yourself. I made it really clear up front that I wanted it to be discreet. I was really hoping that some other forum members could understand what I'm trying to do and come up with something better.
Here are the goals:
1) Don't take up a bunch of space
2) Allowable by casino
3) Not distracting (I'm not sure even if I could conceal it if it's illegal, but something that I could legally conceal would be ideal)
I am posting here to get better ideas than what I can come up with. But people such as yourself just quickly come to conclusions about what the thread is about so they can throw in a quip or criticism. I expect this from sodawater, but I had come to expect a little more from you.
Effectively my conclusion from your comments is that you don't know what I'm trying to accomplish AND you wouldn't have any better ideas even if you did because you think the whole idea is just the idea of a yahoo.
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February 22nd, 2013 at 9:26:15 AM
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I think that even if you come up with the world's most discreet scribing divise to record your rolls, walking up to the pit crew and announcing your intent to be the first to prove DI and that your going to cause the table to have a large dump is still going to give you away? Also that part about the live stream Ahigh show, craps web site etc., their gonna get suspicious. Maybe the little pen will be just a little over the top for 'em, I dunno?
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The way I would do it would be get some large stone tablets, or maybe on a wall. First you draw out your thoughts, then get a good sharp rock and something to pound with and chip it out so it will be recorded for a thousand years. People will look at it generations from now and ask themselves, what was he thinking? We can just call these recordings, wait for it...........[petroglyph]
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It's difficult being an analog man in a digital world.
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The way I would do it would be get some large stone tablets, or maybe on a wall. First you draw out your thoughts, then get a good sharp rock and something to pound with and chip it out so it will be recorded for a thousand years. People will look at it generations from now and ask themselves, what was he thinking? We can just call these recordings, wait for it...........[petroglyph]
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It's difficult being an analog man in a digital world.
February 22nd, 2013 at 10:10:50 AM
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Quote: petroglyphI think that even if you come up with the world's most discreet scribing divise to record your rolls, walking up to the pit crew and announcing your intent to be the first to prove DI and that your going to cause the table to have a large dump is still going to give you away? Also that part about the live stream Ahigh show, craps web site etc., their gonna get suspicious. Maybe the little pen will be just a little over the top for 'em, I dunno?
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The way I would do it would be get some large stone tablets, or maybe on a wall. First you draw out your thoughts, then get a good sharp rock and something to pound with and chip it out so it will be recorded for a thousand years. People will look at it generations from now and ask themselves, what was he thinking? We can just call these recordings, wait for it...........[petroglyph]
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It's difficult being an analog man in a digital world.
In the end, I just play for fun, and I will tell you that it's a lot of fun annoying the pit crews, especially when I get the last laugh as the table dumps.
But it doesn't prove anything, and they still let me play, so they aren't worried about a notepad or my shot at this point.
It's all still just a very amusing game for me and for them.
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February 22nd, 2013 at 10:31:52 AM
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If you're going to write the numbers, then make sure you record the number on each dice. Do NOT add them together.
February 22nd, 2013 at 11:15:27 AM
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If your goal is to annoy pit crews I can witness that you've succeeded. But be careful what you wish for. That guerilla masquerading as a boxman is now going around after work with a crap table under each arm looking for DI's. It seems though you want to divert attention away from yourself and get him looking for a DI that records his numbers.
It's a little like the kid at the family picnic that puts a stick in a hornet's nest and exclaims "I was just having fun".
It's a little like the kid at the family picnic that puts a stick in a hornet's nest and exclaims "I was just having fun".
February 22nd, 2013 at 11:18:05 AM
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Quote: KeyserIf you're going to write the numbers, then make sure you record the number on each dice. Do NOT add them together.
I don't know a single other soul that records both numbers besides me. But I do record them both. I have posted my recorded rolls from home all over this forum and I have a format that supports more than just the roll data, but also the set that was used, the shooting position, and other stuff.
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February 22nd, 2013 at 11:18:36 AM
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Quote: KeyserIf you're going to write the numbers, then make sure you record the number on each dice. Do NOT add them together.
And be sure to keep track of which die is which!
February 22nd, 2013 at 11:20:49 AM
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Quote: DocAnd be sure to keep track of which die is which!
That's harder. I might try to do this, but sometimes it's difficult to keep track of left versus right in the casino.
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February 22nd, 2013 at 4:21:33 PM
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I was joking, mostly. Unless you can throw the dice so that they stick when they hit or maybe wedge under the pyramids, I don't think you would be able to track them individually. But if you don't, I think knowing that they ended up 5-2, 5-1, 6-2, 6-1, 5-1, etc. on a dozen (six dozen?) consecutive rolls would even hint that either die is biased or that you were throwing with specific control. If you did know that one die tended to give 5 or 6 and the other tended to give 2 or 1, it might not take nearly so many rolls to decide that either bias or shooter influence was giving unusual results. At home, you could do this with different colored (or marked) dice, but not likely in a casino.
February 22nd, 2013 at 5:59:43 PM
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Quote: AhighIt's not a notebook and many of the points that you made about this thread could be made to the ENTIRE FORUM by "normal" people who aren't into gambling, clearly making you one of those yahoos yourself. I made it really clear up front that I wanted it to be discreet. I was really hoping that some other forum members could understand what I'm trying to do and come up with something better.
Here are the goals:
1) Don't take up a bunch of space
2) Allowable by casino
3) Not distracting (I'm not sure even if I could conceal it if it's illegal, but something that I could legally conceal would be ideal)
I am posting here to get better ideas than what I can come up with. But people such as yourself just quickly come to conclusions about what the thread is about so they can throw in a quip or criticism. I expect this from sodawater, but I had come to expect a little more from you.
Effectively my conclusion from your comments is that you don't know what I'm trying to accomplish AND you wouldn't have any better ideas even if you did because you think the whole idea is just the idea of a yahoo.
No, I know exactly what you are trying to accomplish.
(1) Notebooks and post-it notes don't take up any appreciable space.
(2) All notebooks and writing devices are allowable in a casino at any game where future results are not impacted by previous ones - that is, EVERY GAME except blackjack.
(3) Whether you write the numbers down using a micro pen on a micro piece of paper or whether you write it with a giant sharpie on a poster, it's distracting.
In short, the CREW doesn't care. It's a frickin' pen and paper, it's allowed, and the fatassed chick in tight jeans walking 100 feet away has more interest to the crew than some yahoo with a pen and paper. Yeah, I'm talking about YOU, the attention whore.
Good night and have a pleasant tomorrow.
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February 23rd, 2013 at 7:11:21 AM
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Quote: boymimboYeah, I'm talking about YOU, the attention whore.
Wow, dude. That's out of character for you. I had you pegged as a smart guy.
FWIW I used that thing for the first time yesterday and it was an entertaining experience, but not anything that helped me roll any better no matter what the possible value is of knowing what I rolled.
The really big problem is picking up the pen and putting the pen back down and breaking my normal habits.
I just don't know that I want to write stuff down. Touching two buttons to record the roll is much easier for me.
I really wish they would allow me to use an iPhone app on the rail. That would be awesome.
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February 23rd, 2013 at 7:38:19 AM
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It just came to my attention that a parody thread of this thread was created by someone who I am not even sure is even a craps player.
This is the craps forum. There are other forums for people who don't play craps.
Craps is not a game for intellectually superior individuals who believe that the dice are 100% perfectly random.
If you're one of those guys, why not just post on the other forums (if this game isn't your kind of game, why even post?)
I don't mind the drama and the discussions, but I'm just saying, "what is the fascination with you brainiacs bothering the craps players?"
This is the craps forum. There are other forums for people who don't play craps.
Craps is not a game for intellectually superior individuals who believe that the dice are 100% perfectly random.
If you're one of those guys, why not just post on the other forums (if this game isn't your kind of game, why even post?)
I don't mind the drama and the discussions, but I'm just saying, "what is the fascination with you brainiacs bothering the craps players?"
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February 23rd, 2013 at 7:57:46 AM
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This is the Uniball Vision Elite Bold in Black.
I prefer the heftier point of the bold versus the micro.
I realize I'm a few days late with my comment.
I applaud your continuing endeavor in roll tracking.
Though, not my idea of excitement.
Roll on!
I don't know everything but I know a lot.
