Can a Dealer press your bets for you automatically?

So.....if you have been reading any of my posts....you'll see that when I go on a "hot streak" on a craps table, I usually make the least money on the table due to my ridiculously passive pressing when I am the shooter.

I've been reading/researching many different Craps websites and a few players mentioned that they have had the Dealers "work their bets" for them. Is this normal?

Based upon the thread title, I thought you were gonna say, "During a bathroom break...."

But it doesn't matter. A dealer is not allowed to make decisions for you. He can suggest all he wants, but every decision, or confirmation of a suggestion, has to be made by you.

I concur with DJ.

A god dealer will try to anticipate what you want based on past actions. If you moved the place 6 bet to 8, say, she'll move it the next time, but she will ask for confirmation (being a good dealer). Same with pressing bets, replacing the come bet when it hits, an even taking $2 as a two-way hardway when tossed to the Stick.

Usually such "Automatic" press moves are Dealers taking pity on some sweet young thing who doesn't know what is happening or else its a move done in anticipation of a player who has been pressing his bets wanting to continue pressing his bets in which case he should verbally confirm it with the bettor. Usually its a good move to go along with the dealer who is doing it.

Once, long, long ago, at a major strip casino which had very strict policies regarding dealers conversing with players a doctor on a medical convention of some sort had a brief but very unimpressive session at a craps table and then left. A dealer going on break then paged the doctor by phoning the casino with "urgent page for Doctor X" and said to him "return to the craps table you just left and say "I would like to learn the such 'n such press". The dealers then taught him something about the game, including the Green Chip next to his Pass Line Bet. Luck was with the player who suddenly made 24 grand and thought the dealers were marvelous. Luck was with the dealers too since in those days that casino didn't allow such things.

Good dealers pay attention your betting patterns and anticipate your next press while always asking for confirmation. This helps them move a bit faster as they pay a number. You can always change your mind, of course.

I don't know the legality of a dealer " working your bets" but I have had specific dealers "work" them for me. Actually only 2 dealers and I have known them for over 15 years. Ive been playing with them that long. Neither of them has varied greatly from my normal activities, just a slight variation.
They would announce what they were doing, or ask for a specific amount of money, to make the move eaiser, ie... drop 2 white for total inside pressure. Only once did I not understand what was going on, and it turned out to be a great move. Dealer cut my bets to a table minimum, 32 inside I believe. Shooter went 7-out on that very next roll. Saving me some 90 bucks or so!
Moving between the place 6 or 8, based on the other being the point, is almost automatic from all the dealers at my casino. Usually a question of " everyone to the 6?" as the point of 8 is established

I do know that if you leave bets up on a trip to the head, they will work them all, anything that pays is brought down and set infront of the boxman until you return.

Thats my experience.

Phy

I saw a dealer aggressively seize control of a newbie craps player's action and mastermind every move on the roll thereafter.

In exchange, he told the player to make large bets for the crew.

It was a long roll, and they both made a lot of money.

There was no question that the dealer controlled the player, and the box went along with it.

Player was like a deer in the headlights, clueless, oblivious, stunned.

At NYNY, last year.

I met a Box Man who CHASTISED me for turning my last $20 to ONLY about $300 on an AMAZING roll earlier this year. He told a story about "working a players bet" as a Dealer years ago turning $22 inside to $9,000 PROFIT a few years ago; basically pressing everything!

I tried to get him to work my bets for me; he didn't. :-(

Having a dealer work your bets may be beneficial as long as there is something in it for them. In which case I think dealers on the pass line. Make sure that you place them on the hardways for 1. This will keep them focused on making money with you. Be sure to see if the dice are not being sent to you with a 7 showing on the side. If it is dealers are not working with you but against you!

I took this question to mean, the dealer is playing with your money. They're doing what they would do. We're not supposed to bet with a players money, but obviously it's a fine line.

One late night on the craps table, I was on base and new guy on stick--new to the casino, not the business. We had just one player, a regular. He was already down close to $200, maybe $40 bucks left. He's a very conservative player so this is a big loss. Sometimes he won't even do full pressures, $6 6 to $9, since we have .50c chips. He asked the stick what he should do. Stick said "Okay, I'll tell you what to do and listen". He explained what he was going to do before the roll started.

The guy proceeds to go on a 10-15 min roll (Long roll considering he was the only one). He went from $35 action to well over $100 action and probably $500 in the rail. I basically listened to the stick as he said "press" or whatever. The guy just confirmed with a "yeah".

Now that I think about it, he might've had closer to $1000. I don't remember exactly.


If someone leaves the table, we can leave their bets up and each payout goes in front of the box. But where I play, if someone leaves, they have to turn their bets off. We certainly can't "work" their bets, as in doing any pressing.

Quote: Parlay

Be sure to see if the dice are not being sent to you with a 7 showing on the side. If it is dealers are not working with you but against you!

I assume you mean, 7 showing on the top side.

For the record, I have never seen a dealer start to push the dice with a 7, horn or the point face up. If a die rolls while pushing, as long as it doesn't roll to a 7, then it doesn't matter. If it rolls to a 7, they will turn it.

Frankly, tips or not, if a dealer ever pushed dice with a 7 showing, unless it was a come-out roll, I'd say something.

Quote: Parlay

Be sure to see if the dice are not being sent to you with a 7 showing on the side. If it is dealers are not working with you but against you!

Quote: DJTeddyBear

I assume you mean, 7 showing on the top side.

For the record, I have never seen a dealer start to push the dice with a 7, horn or the point face up. If a die rolls while pushing, as long as it doesn't roll to a 7, then it doesn't matter. If it rolls to a 7, they will turn it.

Frankly, tips or not, if a dealer ever pushed dice with a 7 showing, unless it was a come-out roll, I'd say something.

I have noticed this funny stuff for a long time. A lot of times "some" dealers will fiddle with the dice and send it back to the shooter with 7's adding up on the SIDE (FACING THE SHOOTER). Most Dice players will pick up the dice and re-set it themselves...the problem comes when dice players just pick up the dice and throw it right back.

The numbers that add up on the SIDE (FTS) of the dice are just as important as the numbers that add up on the TOP. At Bally's (AC) last week, this A**hole dealer kept sending the dice back to shooters with 7's on the side. I told the shooters to always re-fix the dice when I noticed the 7's on the SIDE (FTS). I can tell because if the DICE adds up to 7 facing the shooter, the opposite side will always add up to 7 also.

Four players in a row picked the dice right up and threw it right back without "fixing" the dice. They all 7'ed out right back with the same exact 7 combination that was on the side (FTS). I have noticed this for years...it's not superstition.

This is why I try my best not to bet on people who don't check the dice and fix them before throwing them.

I was on a casino cruise a few months ago and shot the dice for about 20 minutes...AFTER they announced me as the last shooter of the day making 5 points in a row. After the 5th point, the Box Man stopped the game, picked up the dice, "checked them", set it to 7's on the side and sent it back to me. I complained about the Bush League Move, I rolled the dice in front of me 4 times in a row (Dealer kept on yelling: "NO ROLL")...the 7's kept on coming out....I told the entire table to call "OFF", I called "OFF" on my bets, hopped the 7's for $5 each...hit the 7 on the next roll...then colored up!

Pay close attention to this in your next craps session and see if there is a correlation. Let me know your results.

I often "set" the dice so the 3s show on top. Often this trip, the stick would send me the dice set that way.

Quote: Nareed

I often "set" the dice so the 3s show on top. Often this trip, the stick would send me the dice set that way.

Make sure you pay attention to the numbers FACING you also. In my opinion, it makes a big difference. Some Dealers may send it back to you with the 3's on Top....which is nice however if the numbers adding up FACING you adds up to 7, this is not good! if you have a partner on the table...he/she should alert you because they will be seeing the opposite side of the dice facing you...these will add up to 7 also.

I usually throw with 2's up top with 3's & 1's facing me (4's and 6's facing the other way). May be coincidence but I throw a lot of 4's and 10's and I USUALLY crush players laying the 4's and 10's against me.

Quote: CrapsForever

Make sure you pay attention to the numbers FACING you also.

I appreciate the thought, but I really don't pay much attention to all that. if I did, it would feel more like work and less like a pleasant diversion.

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I usually throw with 2's up top with 3's & 1's facing me (4's and 6's facing the other way). May be coincidence but I throw a lot of 4's and 10's and I USUALLY crush players laying the 4's and 10's against me.

We should test that one of these days. If we ever get together, it would be instructive, for at least one of us, if I played the don't while you shoot the dice.

Quote: Nareed

I appreciate the thought, but I really don't pay much attention to all that. if I did, it would feel more like work and less like a pleasant diversion.

Craps for fun....what a novel idea!

Quote: Nareed

We should test that one of these days. If we ever get together, it would be instructive, for at least one of us, if I played the don't while you shoot the dice.

I plan on coming to Vegas later this year. We'll test out all my "crazy" theories and report back on the forum. FYI, if you play the Don'ts against me and listen to exactly what I tell you when I'm shooting...you will do VERY well.

*Quick Tips to remember when Playing the Don'ts AGAINST me (CrapsForever) when I am shooting from the Pass Line....I will remind you at the table:

1) Lay the Point on the first roll after the Point is established. (My nickname "PSO KING" is sadly valid for a very good reason.)
2) Lay the Point after I throw consecutive Horns.
3) Lay the Point after any of my "Craps Etiquette Rules" are broken.
4) When I call my bets "OFF", Lay Heavy against the Point.
5) If I am in a "Zen" like state and look completely at peace, take down your lay bets...I will destroy your Lay Bets!

*After 3 consecutive 7outs by me on one table...I usually refuse to touch the dice on that specific table for the rest of the day.

Quote: CrapsForever

I plan on coming to Vegas later this year.

I'm not likely to be in Vegas until next year <sigh>. Later this year I'll be stuck in the salt mines (I kid; the salt mines couldn't be that bad).

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We'll test out all my "crazy" theories and report back on the forum.

You said it, not me ;)

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I plan on coming to Vegas later this year.

Any idea when?

I'll be coming for G2E, Oct 1-4. I'll probably add a day or two before and/or after.

Quote: DJTeddyBear

Any idea when?

I'll be coming for G2E, Oct 1-4. I'll probably add a day or two before and/or after.

Not sure on specific dates yet.

To answer the question posed in the title, yes but you are not supposed to.

Quote: CrapsForever

So.....if you have been reading any of my posts....you'll see that when I go on a "hot streak" on a craps table, I usually make the least money on the table due to my ridiculously passive pressing when I am the shooter.

I've been reading/researching many different Craps websites and a few players mentioned that they have had the Dealers "work their bets" for them. Is this normal?

In the very, very rare instance when the shooter is on fire, and I have already been pressing, the dealer will take over anticipating what I would do.

Never has a dealer initiated a press without asking me first, or without me giving permission.

Sometimes I will say "start taking them up" and the dealer will then go on "auto pilot" pressing. But that has been done WITH my permission.

Quote: MrV

I saw a dealer aggressively seize control of a newbie craps player's action and mastermind every move on the roll thereafter.

In exchange, he told the player to make large bets for the crew.

It was a long roll, and they both made a lot of money.

There was no question that the dealer controlled the player, and the box went along with it.

Player was like a deer in the headlights, clueless, oblivious, stunned.

At NYNY, last year.

I saw the EXACT same thing at Eureka casino in Mesquite. Poor, clueless straight-arrow Mormons in for the day from St. George for a little sin. It really made me sick to my stomach. I'm all for taking care of the dealers, but let the player do what they want!

Unless the player is a regular, and I mean virtually daily, and we trust one another implicitly (Damn few, in other words), and a player has to leave the game for some reason, I turn all the action off, giving that player all his wagered chips back to him on his return to the game. Doing anything else is really just begging for a beef to occur when the customer returns and says you misplayed their money...As far as a dealer coaching, or automatically adjusting a beginning players bet sizes without the players input is pretty unethical...I've seen marginal dealers try this kind of stuff occasionally as a soft hustle to try to make more tokes, but here again, it's just asking for problems on the game. Personally, I've found if your friendly, give players top shelf service, and conduct yourself in a professional manner, the tokes made are "clean", much less stressful than money made through bullshit cons, hard hustles and questionable player/dealer procedures. IMHO.

This is usually only done with "regulars" who play the same way every time and have a good rapport with the staff. Its customer service. Rare but not unheard of.

I'm not sure but thought that Pass, Don't Pass (?) and Come bets (the latter being "moving") pressed themselves if nothing was said. I've certainly seen a player forget to pick up their Pass line winnings and after the come out roll the dealer stacks the chips together.

Don't Come has to be paid out - since on a 7 it's going to be a come-out roll next so there can't be a DC bet.

Interestingly at a BJ or 3CP table the player has to be present to make a bet, so they usually push the bets outside the box/circle if you have a bathroom/smoke break - some people nominate a friend to play the box while they're away.

Quote: CrapsForever

I have noticed this funny stuff for a long time. A lot of times "some" dealers will fiddle with the dice and send it back to the shooter with 7's adding up on the SIDE (FACING THE SHOOTER). Most Dice players will pick up the dice and re-set it themselves... (other) dice players just pick up the dice and throw it right back.

Four players in a row picked the dice right up and threw it right back...it's not superstition.

you are exactly right: it is not superstition....

Quote: CrapsForever

Pay close attention to this in your next craps session and see if there is a correlation. Let me know your results.

just by happenstance, i guess, i did just that a while back:

in the course of over about 4 or 5 days i saw Five Players presented with the dice with 7 facing them (yes, i too look for this, even sometimes increasing my bets if time allows)...of course it is highly recommended that when this happens, just pick 'em up & throw 'em and fortunately they didn't change anything...each proceeded to go on a monster roll, one for over an hour, making 7 or 8 points and hitting the other numbers at least 4 times each...the others made at least 5 points, one making 9, and also several other numbers many times...(i know these stats approximately but fairly accurately by correlating them with the final bet amounts i had since i press them by a rather consistent formula)

yes, indeed, i love it when dealers present the dice with 7 showing on the sides...it is not superstition

tom p

Quote: CrapsForever

I have noticed this funny stuff for a long time. A lot of times "some" dealers will fiddle with the dice and send it back to the shooter with 7's adding up on the SIDE (FACING THE SHOOTER). Most Dice players will pick up the dice and re-set it themselves... (other) dice players just pick up the dice and throw it right back.

Four players in a row picked the dice right up and threw it right back...it's not superstition.

you are exactly right: it is not superstition....

Quote: CrapsForever

Pay close attention to this in your next craps session and see if there is a correlation. Let me know your results.

just by happenstance, i guess, i did just that a while back:

in the course of over about 4 or 5 days i saw Five Players presented with the dice with 7 facing them (yes, i too look for this, even sometimes increasing my bets if time allows)...of course it is highly recommended that when this happens, just pick 'em up & throw 'em and fortunately they didn't change anything...each proceeded to go on a monster roll, one for over an hour, making 7 or 8 points and hitting the other numbers at least 4 times each...the others made at least 5 points, one making 9, and also several other numbers many times...(i know these stats approximately but fairly accurately by correlating them with the final bet amounts i had since i press them by a rather consistent formula)

yes, indeed, i love it when dealers present the dice with 7 showing on the sides...it is not superstition

tom p

Jaysus, Between !!! I understand refraining from sliding the dice back to the shooter on "7"...but with 7 adding up on the sides? F**k, man, it might not seem like the dealers are doing jack-shit, apparently not to your approval. Here's an idea, next time that stickman shoots you the dice with a "7" totalling on the f**king sides...adjust one of the dies so it don't!!!

Quote: rudeboy99

... Here's an idea, next time that stickman shoots you the dice with a "7" totalling on the f**king sides...adjust one of the dies so it don't!!!

OMG No, Rude!!! you misunderstood my post: i WANT the dealers to pass me the dice with 7 showing on the side!! why it's GOOD LUCK! as i outlined with the great rolls examples in my post...

...it is not superstition...

why such arrangement of the dice when presented to the shooter IS ALMOST AS GOOD AS WHEN THE DICE ARE PRESENTED WITH "7" ON TOP!!...when i see this ideal happen i always try to quickly increase my bets (tho not allus possible depending upon how fast the shooter picks 'em up & flings 'em)...

it is not superstition...

oh, one more thing, "adjust(ing) one of the dies" or even both dice has no effect...no, it is the mere fact that the dice are presented with 7 on the sides or, ideally, the top is that which brings the "good luck"...

it is not superstition...

tom p

most of the time when I play the dealers know what I am going to do they will press or whatever then
just nod for approval

everything has to be done by player

Yes and No.

Yes, if the dealer knows you, and your betting patterns, they will most definitely press your bets. I have it done for me all the time but I know all of the dealers who do it. It makes it a lot easier than barking out orders over a loud table too.

But, if you don't know the dealer, don't have any specific betting patterns, then the answer should definitely be no.

Quote: JoelDeze

Yes and No.

Yes, if the dealer knows you, and your betting patterns, they will most definitely press your bets. I have it done for me all the time but I know all of the dealers who do it. It makes it a lot easier than barking out orders over a loud table too.

But, if you don't know the dealer, don't have any specific betting patterns, then the answer should definitely be no.

fore sure! +1