rainman
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April 3rd, 2012 at 12:56:27 AM permalink
wow! friends and neighbors it seems if you are searching for favorable rules you better check out the evergreen state. Iplay in trible casino"s and card rooms alike. they all seem to have way better rules than what i see all over vegas and anywhere else. i can find a 3-500 game, split 3 times including aces double anything first 2 cards, surrender, deep penatration, dealer stands soft 17. bj pays 3-2. these are six deck games double deck a little different i recently played at a trible casino with the above format and they were also having a promation where suited bj payed 2-1 but they shut that down dang it. Oh and for those running games perhaps putting more effort into getting more people to play your games vs trying to ring every nickle out of it would br better.
weaselman
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April 3rd, 2012 at 4:21:52 AM permalink
Quote: buzzpaff

" D8-11 " Really No doubling on 7 or less ? REALLY? How much do you think this increases the HE. My guess is 00.0001%


0.09%
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Tiltpoul
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April 3rd, 2012 at 6:13:42 AM permalink
For those people dogging on the Ante, as it's kind of been pointed out, Oklahoma regulations require that the games be player banked. To accomplish this, they charge an Ante. Yes, it sucks, and there are casinos that pick up the cost of the Antes (i.e. Downstream).

As I said, I haven't been there in about 3 years, but the rules used to be really good. The rules you provide are okay, but H17 instead of S17 gives the house enough of an edge. What are the standards these days? You provide YOUR rules, but if the rest of the casinos offer S17, then you would be at a competitive disadvantage.
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buzzpaff
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April 3rd, 2012 at 6:28:35 AM permalink
Quote: weaselman

0.09%



Of course that is with perfect Basic Strategy, which is seldom displayed by the average player. Of course, if all players played perfectly, then the only table open would be those with an ante.
weaselman
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April 3rd, 2012 at 7:57:39 AM permalink
Quote: Tiltpoul

For those people dogging on the Ante, as it's kind of been pointed out, Oklahoma regulations require that the games be player banked. To accomplish this, they charge an Ante. Yes, it sucks, and there are casinos that pick up the cost of the Antes (i.e. Downstream).



I don't understand how charging an ante makes it player banked if the ante does not even depend on the size of the bet?
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Ibeatyouraces
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April 3rd, 2012 at 8:02:23 AM permalink
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DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
PopCan
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April 3rd, 2012 at 8:47:42 AM permalink
Quote: weaselman

I don't understand how charging an ante makes it player banked if the ante does not even depend on the size of the bet?

I meant to say "non-house banked". The bill that allowed Class III slots in Oklahoma (read here if you're really bored) also allowed for non-house banked card games. That usually means poker but the casinos can also run other table games so long as the casino win from the game is redistributed to the guests in someway such as promotions, bonus payouts, etc. In OK the state takes 10% of the win and the tribe is allowed to keep 10% of the win as operating costs.

If their 8 deck game really offers early surrender then the off the top edge is 0.06% (plus the cut card effect). That's not a bad game at all (EDIT: If you're playing $20+ a hand). The true test will be how their rules change when/if house banked games are legalized.
Tiltpoul
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April 3rd, 2012 at 2:02:40 PM permalink
Quote: PopCan

I meant to say "non-house banked". The bill that allowed Class III slots in Oklahoma also allowed for non-house banked card games. That usually means poker but the casinos can also run other table games so long as the casino win from the game is redistributed to the guests in someway such as promotions, bonus payouts, etc. In OK the state takes 10% of the win and the tribe is allowed to keep 10% of the win as operating costs.



The other thing is all casinos have to collect the Ante. Whether they charge it to the customer or pick up the cost is their choice. I don't imagine ShiftyRicky has any say in whether he can pay for it or not.

I'm actually defending him. Yes, it's a terrible game when they charge an Ante, but this isn't the $1 games in AC where the ante is imposed by the casino; this is regulation. Those AC games are like 6:5 BJ, the OK games are just the way of life. I wouldn't go out of my way to play in OK, but if I lived there, I'd at least understand.
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ShiftyRicky
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April 3rd, 2012 at 3:39:53 PM permalink
First, i would like to thank everyone, again for the input. Now, to answer some questions;

Rules at other Casinos-there is 1 casino around here that is S17, though the limits at that casino a kept low; we are the only casino to offer ES and Late surrender; NO ONE in the area offer DA2 on any DD game. there is 1 SD game around that you can.

Popcan and Tilt are both correct...we have to give so much back to the player, ie promos. We give away cars, bikes, boats, hell we gave a house away once!

When i say "I pay the ANTE", the casno pays it...we move a $.50 (or whatever the total is for the hand) chip to the ante tube, and eventually it gets dropped in an ANTE box.

I do offer EARLY SURRENDER on our 8D games and LATE SURRENDER on our DD games.

I did mean RSA...up to 4 hands on all games, with 1 card/ace

The ANTE rules are different at every joint around here, some charge, some don't.

As far as posting my rules, I have strictly started this thread to get input from players that know what they are talking about and from the AP's and math members...in an attempt to make my casino better for the player without giving it away.
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NotThisTime
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April 3rd, 2012 at 7:25:54 PM permalink
Quote: ShiftyRicky

Tiltpoul- I am a Oklahoma casino, matter of fact I am just down the interstate from Downstream.

I forgot to add we have free ante Sun-Fri 12am-4pm.



I knew you were from Buffalo run from the very first post in this thread.




Quote: ShiftyRicky

BJ's pay 3:2; i do run promotions; and we are the most easiest PIT to get a comp from...i would say any where.





True, B R is quick to give comps but you are also quick to throw players out, add their pictures to national databases, and spread false information about them including mistaking a stone cold ploppy as an AP who has never even stepped foot in your casino. All this hostility towards players who are paying an ante to play your game. If I pay an ante to play a game then I have a right to the players pool the same as any other player. I don't understand the sweat of the players pool money in many of the OK casinos unless there is skimming going on. The players pool money is intended to be returned to the players. The casino is only supposed to make money on the antes. Basically just like a poker rake. Why do they sweat the players pool so hard??

Quote: PopCan

I meant to say "non-house banked". The bill that allowed Class III slots in Oklahoma (read here if you're really bored) also allowed for non-house banked card games. That usually means poker but the casinos can also run other table games so long as the casino win from the game is redistributed to the guests in someway such as promotions, bonus payouts, etc. In OK the state takes 10% of the win and the tribe is allowed to keep 10% of the win as operating costs.




I'm not sure if Ricky's casino is skimming from the players pool as they do a lot of big giveaways as he mentioned, but there are many casinos in OK that hardly ever do any types of giveaways or returns to the players. I've even been told by a pit manager at one casino that they've never done any giveaways or promotions in the years she's been there. How can this be following the law? Many OK casinos are also extremely hostile towards brain using patrons. I'm more frightened of a physical assault by casino goons in that state then any other state in the country. Some of the casinos have even tried to openly steal 1,000's of dollars in chips from players. The self regulation of these casinos and lack of transparency of the players pool accounting is sickening!

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