ddloml
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September 13th, 2011 at 11:50:02 AM permalink
Quote: Llew

Thanks for the detailed response! It sounds like I'll be doing the bulk of my real playing at my hotel, then, although I'll probably visit a few other casinos just for kicks. i already got some Hash House (Imperial Palace) vouchers based on a friend's recommendation, plus I'm going to shows at the Mirage and the MGM Grand.



A shorter walk than Hash House at IP, but just as filling meal, is a trek north on LV Blvd from Encore to The Peppermill for breakfast or lunch. It's got that 70's neon vibe going for it too. After your meal, you're just a parking lot away from the Riviera; it's a good contrast from the Encore, Wynn, Palazzo or Venetian.
DonPedro
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September 13th, 2011 at 11:53:41 AM permalink
I agree you may want to start off at the lower limit tables, the best 5 dollar table is the El Cortez on Fremont- SD H17 NDAS, .28 HE.

You can also find other tables w/ the same rules/table min as the Encore on the Strip: Mirage, Bellagio,Treas. Island, and MGM ( 15 min) .

I usually try and play all of these while I am there, those are the only 6D S17 tables w/ S and 25 min.

Why would someone play a h17 game on the strip ?

If you want a lower min. w/ good rules, just head to the Tez.

You should not have any problem finding a cab or going up and down/around the strip .
" If I had the money and the drinking capacity, I'd probably live at a blackjak table and let my life go to hell." Don Pedro
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September 13th, 2011 at 12:03:08 PM permalink
PS

Make sure you know BS cold, know the rules/game the casino offers before you enter. Check the LVBJS for the most current rules.

Also set an amount of $$$ for each night according to your BR .

Blackjackinfo. has some great credit card size BS strategy cards for any game you will play.

I just like to review before I enter the casino:

I carry 3 w/ while in vegas:

SD h17 for the tez 5 $ table

6D S17 w/ S for the 25 $tables

2D S17 NS for the 100 $ tables ( dont play this very much, but try it at least once each trip )
" If I had the money and the drinking capacity, I'd probably live at a blackjak table and let my life go to hell." Don Pedro
Llew
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September 13th, 2011 at 12:27:33 PM permalink
I will definitely print the cards - the only BS I have down 100% right now is the 6D S17 S, as I practiced it with the assumption that I'd be playing at the Encore. I'm not too worried about playing correctly unless I end up at a table with different rules - in my enthusiasm, I've spent just a little bit too much time lately getting BS down with memorization and practice - I even practiced drunk. Hardcore.

I should add that I have been to the Palace Station before and played a bit of roulette, since I didn't know the correct strategies for any of the games that required it, or the rules for craps. Obviously, I should have played Baccarat, which doesn't require any sort of thinking and has much better odds than roulette, but with the amount and frequency I was playing it hardly mattered. Anyway, that visit sucked was my motivation for doing the whole Vegas thing properly this time around.

I'll probably be betting 25 - 100 (200 with doubling) but may go higher for thrills or occasionally at the start of a shoe to make my patterns less obvious.
teddys
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September 13th, 2011 at 2:09:31 PM permalink
Quote: Llew

I'll probably be betting 25 - 100 (200 with doubling) but may go higher for thrills or occasionally at the start of a shoe to make my patterns less obvious.

Be prepared for some absolutely horrendous losses if things go sour. (Which they will). If you can't handle those losses, and if they would ruin your trip, don't bet that much.
"Dice, verily, are armed with goads and driving-hooks, deceiving and tormenting, causing grievous woe." -Rig Veda 10.34.4
Llew
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September 13th, 2011 at 2:21:03 PM permalink
Quote: teddys

Be prepared for some absolutely horrendous losses if things go sour. (Which they will). If you can't handle those losses, and if they would ruin your trip, don't bet that much.



As far as I'm concerned, the money's already gone.
Llew
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September 26th, 2011 at 11:26:27 PM permalink
And now it is gone, for real! Haha. I was up 800 at one point, but had a nasty string of luck where a bunch of failed splits and doubles, raises, etc. along with quite a few normal hands caused me to hit my loss limit for the trip. Of course, the casino seems to love me a lot more now that they have my money. I have a host and free food and everything. Four plates and 5 desserts at the buffet, plus enough scotch to drown a terrier, casino rate on hotels (they want $150/hand for 4 hours to give out free rooms - if I'm betting that kind of cash, which I am not, the price of a room is so insignificant that I wouldn't even care whether it was free or not).

I played all basic strategy and will do so in the future - counting just doesn't seem like a fun way to play in a social setting, and the speed of the game takes some getting used to, especially with a dealer that is trying to push the pace as much as possible. It was also surprisingly difficult to stay disciplined with basic strategy and bet amounts, far more than I had anticipated, being someone who doesn't believe in luck or hunches and such. After a while, I would just get bored and want to create some excitement (in terms of bet amount). And after getting beat again and again on doubles (especially 11 v 10), I really had to force myself to keep putting the extra chips out.

I found that surrendering is not something that people commonly do. At one point in my downward spiral, I had about a tray's worth of singles and half dollars. The pit boss coming on thought I had had a huge run of blackjacks until I explained.

Once I hit my loss limit, the temptation to chase losses was very strong. When the last chips went back into the dealer's tray, I wanted nothing more than to come back bigger and muscle back some chips with sheer bankroll and bet size. But then I thought, I had some excitement, learned a lot, had a lot of new experiences, and can afford not only the loss, but another trip next month with my friends where my bankroll will be even larger. (The current trip was an impulse thing.) After that, I didn't feel the need to win, though I still want to play again when I can because it was enjoyable and pretty intense at certain key moments, kind of like cheering for a sports team where that team is me and the team's wins actually have a tangible effect on my life.
FleaStiff
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September 26th, 2011 at 11:57:21 PM permalink
>And now it is gone, for real! Haha.
Congratulations. You had the right attitude toward your gambling.

> I was up 800 at one point, but had a nasty string of luck ...
It happens.

>I have a host and free food and everything. Four plates and 5 desserts at the buffet, plus enough scotch to drown a terrier,
>casino rate on hotels (they want $150/hand for 4 hours to give out free rooms ...).
Your goals were:
I want to have fun; Comps because it's fun to get "free" stuff; Atmosphere in the literal sense, because cigarette smoke annoys me;Security.
So it appears you met your goals. Congratulations.

>I played all basic strategy and will do so in the future
Good.
>counting just doesn't seem like a fun way to play in a social setting, and the speed of the game takes some getting used to,
That is a good lesson to have learned too. The real world of the casino is different than the practice world at home.
>It was also surprisingly difficult to stay disciplined with basic strategy and bet amounts, far more than I had anticipated,
>After a while, I would just get bored and want to create some excitement (in terms of bet amount).
The "buzz" and the alcohol have an effect.
>I found that surrendering is not something that people commonly do.
I drop it from my Basic Strategy vocabulary just to simplify things.
>Once I hit my loss limit, the temptation to chase losses was very strong.
Yes indeed. Discipline is important though.
>I still want to play again when I can because it was enjoyable and pretty intense at certain key moments,
>kind of like cheering for a sports team where that team is me and the team's wins actually have a tangible effect on my life.
A great attitude to have.

Overall, I'd say your trip was a great success despite Lady Variance having been a bit of a tease.

Next time, deposit some of you winnings into the "bank" stack so that you have something for the next session if your luck turns and you want to walk away. Were you tipping the dealers and drink ladies? I assume at the Encore your air was breathable and it was a pleasant place to play. (Plus you probably got a good brand of Scotch). At Terribbles you would have had comped rooms but inedible food and smoke all over the place, so its good to have your priorities set.

That Casino Rate on your rooms is good and knowing what they want for a free room ... who knows about that next trip???

Overall, I'd say you first foray into serious Blackjack was a success. Congratulations.
Llew
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September 27th, 2011 at 8:04:27 AM permalink
Yes, I probably put out about $100 or so in tips over the course of about 14 hours. It would have been more satisfying to tip if the people I tipped got to keep them instead of pooling them, although I agree with the rationale behind it.

Smoke was not an issue unless there was someone smoking right next to me - although I played a bit at the Wynn and found it smokier than the Encore, although that could have stemmed from the table location and the fact that it was a lot more crowded when I was playing there.
teddys
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September 27th, 2011 at 12:14:59 PM permalink
Quote: Llew

I found that surrendering is not something that people commonly do. At one point in my downward spiral, I had about a tray's worth of singles and half dollars. The pit boss coming on thought I had had a huge run of blackjacks until I explained.

What I like to do is surrender by giving the dealer the singles and halves, and keeping the original bet up. Keeps things cleaner, and they appreciate the less work. Of course, you can also stack them all up and bet them, but that is awkward.

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Once I hit my loss limit, the temptation to chase losses was very strong. When the last chips went back into the dealer's tray, I wanted nothing more than to come back bigger and muscle back some chips with sheer bankroll and bet size. But then I thought, I had some excitement, learned a lot, had a lot of new experiences, and can afford not only the loss, but another trip next month with my friends where my bankroll will be even larger. (The current trip was an impulse thing.) After that, I didn't feel the need to win, though I still want to play again when I can because it was enjoyable and pretty intense at certain key moments, kind of like cheering for a sports team where that team is me and the team's wins actually have a tangible effect on my life.

Very wise. Some people go their whole lives without learning this.
"Dice, verily, are armed with goads and driving-hooks, deceiving and tormenting, causing grievous woe." -Rig Veda 10.34.4

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