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dwheatley
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November 19th, 2012 at 10:02:15 AM permalink
Quote: BedWetterBetter

Once bitten, twice shy.

The best way to lose profits is to abuse profits.



Irrelevant. Each BJ hand/opportunity should be independently judged in terms of it's EV.

Don't overbet your bankroll, but otherwise you should take these shots.
Wisdom is the quality that keeps you out of situations where you would otherwise need it
BedWetterBetter
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November 19th, 2012 at 10:36:20 AM permalink
Quote: dwheatley

Irrelevant. Each BJ hand/opportunity should be independently judged in terms of it's EV.

Don't overbet your bankroll, but otherwise you should take these shots.




$1000 was a bit over my roll at that time.

Also the count was not favorable in the second instance, even with the man pulling so many low cards.
AxiomOfChoice
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November 19th, 2012 at 1:46:10 PM permalink
Quote: BedWetterBetter

Once bitten, twice shy.

The best way to lose profits is to abuse profits.



No, the best way to lose profits is to stop making +EV bets.

I'm sure you've had losing sessions before. Did that make you stop playing altogether?
AxiomOfChoice
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November 19th, 2012 at 1:48:12 PM permalink
Quote: BedWetterBetter

$1000 was a bit over my roll at that time.

Also the count was not favorable in the second instance, even with the man pulling so many low cards.



Well, that is very different.

For the first point, maybe you could have gotten in for less. It's not $1000 or nothing. Maybe toss him a black or two?

For the 2nd point, of course you would not want to do it if it's not +EV. But I am pretty sure it's +EV with just about any count.
AB21
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December 31st, 2012 at 7:02:19 AM permalink
I was back counting a 4 deck game at Ceasar's Palace in Vegas in 1984. Two guys at the table - one betting blacks and one betting greens. The black chip better was wasted but was having a great run with maybe $20,000 in chips mounded up in front of him. At one point it looks like he is getting up to go to the washroom - he is half way out of his chair when he proceeds to vomit all over the table. The green chip player couldn't leave the table fast enough. I take a few steps back but can't leave the scene of this train wreck wanting to see what unfolds. The drunk mumbles something to the floorman about his chips and the floorman brings him a rack. It takes a few minutes, but he manages to get his puke splattered chips into the rack. The poor janitor gets called over to the table and cleans up the mess as best as possible. After finishing this dreadful task the drunk mumbles a thank you and tosses him a five dollar chip. The guy is sitting there with 20 grand in chips and puke on his face and he tips the poor guy 5 bucks - classy! You would think at this point, no matter how drunk you are, you should at least be embarrassed enough to leave the table - but no - he decides that this was only a minor set back to his winning streak and continues to play! To this day I can still remember the look of disgust on the dealers face as she was forced to continue dealing to this moron while leaning back as much as was humanly possible!
AcesAndEights
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January 3rd, 2013 at 3:29:08 PM permalink
Quote: AB21

I was back counting a 4 deck game at Ceasar's Palace in Vegas in 1984. Two guys at the table - one betting blacks and one betting greens. The black chip better was wasted but was having a great run with maybe $20,000 in chips mounded up in front of him. At one point it looks like he is getting up to go to the washroom - he is half way out of his chair when he proceeds to vomit all over the table. The green chip player couldn't leave the table fast enough. I take a few steps back but can't leave the scene of this train wreck wanting to see what unfolds. The drunk mumbles something to the floorman about his chips and the floorman brings him a rack. It takes a few minutes, but he manages to get his puke splattered chips into the rack. The poor janitor gets called over to the table and cleans up the mess as best as possible. After finishing this dreadful task the drunk mumbles a thank you and tosses him a five dollar chip. The guy is sitting there with 20 grand in chips and puke on his face and he tips the poor guy 5 bucks - classy! You would think at this point, no matter how drunk you are, you should at least be embarrassed enough to leave the table - but no - he decides that this was only a minor set back to his winning streak and continues to play! To this day I can still remember the look of disgust on the dealers face as she was forced to continue dealing to this moron while leaning back as much as was humanly possible!


Yeah, but what was the count?
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AB21
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January 3rd, 2013 at 9:58:37 PM permalink
I think I lost the count after witnessing this, but that begs the question......

To what lengths will you go to Wong into a juicy shoe?

1) Slap your bet down on a freshly puked upon table?
2) Bowl over a hot cocktail waitress in order to get that bet down?

Maybe a topic for a new thread.......
AxiomOfChoice
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January 4th, 2013 at 12:13:49 PM permalink
Quote: AB21

I think I lost the count after witnessing this



Amateur.... :)
AB21
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January 5th, 2013 at 6:51:04 AM permalink
I guess I was an amateur at the time only being 23 years old. After reading every blackjack book I could find and getting 60 hours of practice at low stakes under my belt at a local casino, I hopped on a plane for my first trip to Vegas carrying my life savings in my pocket. After 3 weeks, I had doubled my bankroll 3 times - talk about being on a high!

I fondly remember some of my favorite places to play on the strip:

A four deck game at the Maxim with less than half a deck cut off.
Six decks at the Holiday Inn where they dealt five and a half.
Two large pits of double deck at the Flamingo where you could easily Wong around for a session on a crowded evening.
And my favorite, Ceasar's Palace. They only had four 4 deck tables, but I spent a lot of time there with absolutely no heat. Maybe my max bet of 200 bucks at the time wasn't enough to get them excited, but the pit just didn't seem to care.

The good old days......
duffytootx
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January 5th, 2013 at 7:45:38 AM permalink
Quote: AB21

I guess I was an amateur at the time only being 23 years old. After reading every blackjack book I could find and getting 60 hours of practice at low stakes under my belt at a local casino, I hopped on a plane for my first trip to Vegas carrying my life savings in my pocket. After 3 weeks, I had doubled my bankroll 3 times - talk about being on a high!

I fondly remember some of my favorite places to play on the strip:

A four deck game at the Maxim with less than half a deck cut off.
Six decks at the Holiday Inn where they dealt five and a half.
Two large pits of double deck at the Flamingo where you could easily Wong around for a session on a crowded evening.
And my favorite, Ceasar's Palace. They only had four 4 deck tables, but I spent a lot of time there with absolutely no heat. Maybe my max bet of 200 bucks at the time wasn't enough to get them excited, but the pit just didn't seem to care.

The good old days......



Ah yes ...... the good old days. I also fondly remember Ceasars one deck table, $25 limit with the best rules in the world. Played two hands and never got looked at. Let my girlfriend (now my wife) carry my white chips around the casino.

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