kengam77
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January 25th, 2011 at 7:21:35 AM permalink
My first post as I found this site searching for the answer. I have been an advantage gambler for a long time (mostly online)

Can Michael Shak or anyone else come up with the proper startegy chart to play this. Here are the rules which are very player friendly:

basic rules like das, double any 2 cards, dealer stands on soft 17, 8 deck, may split aces but no hit


here are the juicy rules:

early surrender against anything
split 10's and get an ace pays 3:2 (blackjack)
split aces and get any 10 card pays 3:2 (blackjack)
unlimited split hands (even aces and 10s)
5 card charlie (automatic winning hand 1:1 against anything except bj)



Can anyone calculate the player advantage given this set of rules. I am guessing about +1.7 % or possibly a bit more. Getting BJs (3:2) on split aces and 10s should change the typical strategy dramatically. I am guessing proper strategy would be to split 10's (EEEEK!) against any dealer up card of 2-9? Also the 5 card charlie rule should alter the strategy somewhat.

Any help would be appreciated...
WizardofEngland
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January 25th, 2011 at 7:25:36 AM permalink
does the 5 card charlie lose to a bj or push?
http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/10042-woes-black-sheep-game-ii/#post151727
kengam77
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January 25th, 2011 at 7:27:17 AM permalink
loses to an ace up blackjack. I am unsure if it loses to a 10 up BJ but let's just say it does
Jufo81
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January 25th, 2011 at 7:33:01 AM permalink
So that game is offered in some on-line casino? Are you sure the casino is legitimate? I have seen Video poker games in on-line casinos with more than 200% return percentage and obviously they don't deal fair game.
kengam77
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January 25th, 2011 at 7:36:40 AM permalink
It is online and the payout uses a forum points system. Basically you can exchange the points for freeplays and pizzas (lol)
kengam77
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January 25th, 2011 at 7:39:02 AM permalink
oh, one other thing which messes with strategy a bit is the fact that if you have soft 21 the software automatically makes you stand so if you have a 4 card soft 21 you can't get a 5 card charlie
DJTeddyBear
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January 25th, 2011 at 7:46:26 AM permalink
On the other site, the Wiz has a chart to show the effect of a variety of rule changes:
http://wizardofodds.com/blackjack/rule-variations.html

For example:
Ace and 10 after splitting aces is a blackjack ..... +0.19%

There's no line indicating the value if getting an ace after splitting tens paying blackjack. What does that tell you?
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kengam77
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January 25th, 2011 at 7:49:04 AM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

On the other site, the Wiz has a chart to show the effect of a variety of rule changes:
http://wizardofodds.com/blackjack/rule-variations.html

For example:
Ace and 10 after splitting aces is a blackjack ..... +0.19%

There's no line indicating the value if getting an ace after splitting tens paying blackjack. What does that tell you?



That tells me that no one offers 3:2 on split 10s bjs but it surely increases the PA a big chunk. I went to the Wiz's site first, but there really are no strat charts with the rules I have listed
Jufo81
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January 25th, 2011 at 7:57:33 AM permalink
I think it is -EV to split tens even if Soft 21 pays as blackjack after splitting.
kengam77
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January 25th, 2011 at 8:04:55 AM permalink
Quote: Jufo81

I think it is -EV to split tens even if Soft 21 pays as blackjack after splitting.



even against a 4, 5, or 6? I say you are wrong. Someone will know for sure. Does Michael Shackleford ever post answers here?

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