ksdjdj
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December 26th, 2021 at 2:49:14 AM permalink
Quote: gordonm888

So we calculate that the basic BJ game should have an expectation of 99.57% which is very close to the value of 99.58% posted on the game's Help/Info page? Is this making sense?

Sort of, I am used to side bets with a separate RTP figure, but if the 99.58% RTP "combined figure ^^^ " is correct then the side bet should also be about 99.58%.

^^^: Since it is a "forced side bet", it is probably safe to say that it is a blended figure?

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Anyone can answer this, but how many tests of the "side bet spinner " do you think would be enough, to get a good feel for it?

There may be at least two answers for the above question:
(i) One answer would be for, when you have "no idea" what the spinner should pay

(ii) The other answer would be for, when you think the average odds could be ~\$1.95 (~0.95/1) for the spinner.

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Update (320 am, Pac Time):

Just did another 16 spins, here are the results:

Push / 4
1 / 10
2 / 2
3 / 0
Last edited by: ksdjdj on Dec 26, 2021
Wizard

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December 26th, 2021 at 7:22:13 AM permalink
I would like to announce my new page on Four 20's Blackjack. As always, I welcome all comments, questions, and corrections.
It's not whether you win or lose; it's whether or not you had a good bet.
ksdjdj
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December 26th, 2021 at 1:47:15 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I would like to announce my new page on Four 20's Blackjack. As always, I welcome all comments, questions, and corrections.

Looks good to me.

Also, my early estimated chances for the "One 20 Wheel" were:

3 - 5%
2 - 20%
1 - 40%
Push - 35%
Mewtwo
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December 27th, 2021 at 7:54:13 PM permalink
Wow, this looks like one of the most fair side bets I've ever seen offered on a game.

I don't like that they disallow surrender but everything else is spot on for good blackjack. (In PA, surrender is if DraftKings offers this game on their PA platform, wouldn't they be required to modify it to allow that option?)
Dieter
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December 27th, 2021 at 8:57:23 PM permalink
The PA rules I skimmed also seemed to require a dealer, a certain design of table, a discard rack, and playing cards.

I am assuming electronic blackjack falls under a different set of rules. Hopefully someone more familiar with PA rules can educate me.
May the cards fall in your favor.
mwalz9
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December 28th, 2021 at 6:50:31 AM permalink
I played quite a few hands on the demo version just to try it out. It seems to me the wheel has an abnormally large amount of pushes when you make 1 20, but I do realize Im looking at a very small sample size to form a solid opinion.
gordonm888
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January 2nd, 2022 at 1:12:47 PM permalink
Quote: ksdjdj

Quote: Wizard

Also, my early estimated chances for the "One 20 Wheel" were:

3 - 5%
2 - 20%
1 - 40%
Push - 35%

Here's data on an additional 20 spins on the One 20 Wheel:
3: 2
2: 2
1: 10
Push: 6
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Wizard

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